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Supreme Court to Review Case on Obama’s Forged Documents

Published January 30, 2013, filed under GOVERNMENT

On Wednesday, Chief Justice John Roberts of the Supreme Court scheduled a birther case brought on by Orly Taitz which calls into question Barack Hussein Obama’s eligibility to be president of the United States. Dr. Taitz, a lawyer from Santa Margarita, Calif., also made the announcement on her website on Jan. 9.

As of this writing, major news networks such as ABC, Fox News, CBS, and NBC have yet to report on the high court’s decision to review Barack Hussein Obama’s eligibility to hold political office in the United States or any of its territories. The case is identified as Edward Noonan, et al., v. Deborah Bowen, California Secretary of State.

On Feb. 15, all nine justices will gather in conference to review whether Obama used forged government documents and fake identification in order to get elected as commander-in-chief. Edward Noonan, et al., contend that if Obama had been ineligible to run in 2008, other Democratic candidates should have replaced him on the presidential ballot. Additionally, electoral votes from states such as California that went towards Obama should have been deemed null and void.

The Supreme Court‘s website shows that docket file no. 12A606 was originally denied by Justice Anthony Kennedy, a Reagan appointee, on Dec. 13. On Jan. 9, Chief Justice Roberts sent Dr. Taitz’s application to the full court for a review scheduled for Feb. 15.

Despite the lack of exposure from the mainstream media, the issue appears to have gained some steam among conservative bloggers. On Jan. 9, New York Times best-selling author Jerome Corsi suggested that the president’s nominee to head the Central Intelligence Agency, John Brennan, may have played a role in removing birther evidence from Barack Obama‘s passport records.

It appears that in 2008, a State Department insider was simultaneously employed by Analysis Corporation of McLean, Va. (then headed by Mr. Brennan) and was reprimanded for accessing (and possibly altering) Obama’s passport records.

On Wednesday, Dr. Orly Taitz, who represents the birther cause, posted the following on her website:

The case . . . provides a mountain of evidence of Barack Obama using a last name not legally his, forged Selective Service application, forged long form and short form birth certificate and a Connecticut Social Security number 042-68-4425 which was never assigned to him according to E-Verify and SSNVS. Additionally, this case provides evidence of around one and a half million invalid voter registrations in the state of California alone.

The Supreme Court reviews about 10,000 petitions annually in regular conferences. About 100 are selected for further judicial consideration. In this filtering process, the votes of four justices are needed to advance a case. On her website, Dr. Taitz argues that Obama has used false identification, an alias, a fake Social Security number, forged birth certificates and Selective Service applications. [ See a comparison of a regular birth certificate versus one submitted by Barack Obama in this photo. ]

Among the aliases Obama allegedly used are Barry Soetoro (used while teaching law at the University of Chicago) and Harrison J. Bounel. Birthers contend that by entering Obama’s claimed Social Security number (042-68-4425) into background check systems, the name Harrison J. Bounel shows up in search results. Forgery of government documents is considered a felony.

This is not the first time that Obama has had to contend with the birther issue. On Aug. 21 2008, Philip J. Berg, a former deputy attorney general of Pennsylvania, brought a federal lawsuit challenging the eligibility of Barack Hussein Obama to become president. Berg alleged that Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya and that the “Certification of Live Birth” on Obama’s website is a forgery.

The lower federal court dismissed the complaint as “unworthy of further discussion”. Soon after, Berg filed a petition for writ of certiorari to the United States Supreme Court which was denied by Justice David Souter in Nov. 2008. A second petition was denied by Justice Anthony Kennedy.

A third petition was referred to the Supreme Court by Justice Antonin Scalia. However, the high court rejected the writ of certiorari on Jan. 12, 2009, just eight days away from Obama’s first inauguration as the nation’s 44th chief executive.

A team of forensic experts organized by Arizona sheriff Joe Arpaio have looked into Obama’s birth certificate. In July 2012, Arpaio told Fox News his team’s conclusion that Obama’s birth certification is “definitely fraudulent”. After months of investigation, his forensic investigators had discovered code errors, computer-generated marks, and manipulated seals on the document.

In April 2011, the White House retracted the Hawaii certificate and replaced it with a long form version. Around the same time, business tycoon Donald Trump sent a team of investigators to the state of Hawaii to question Obama’s real place of birth.

Said Trump:

He [Obama] spent $2 million in legal fees trying on to get away from this issue, and if it weren’t an issue, why wouldn’t he just solve it? I wish he would because if he doesn’t, it’s one of the greatest scams in the history of politics and in the history, period. You are not allowed to be a president if you’re not born in this country. Right now, I have real doubts.

The issue gained steam in the midst of a highly contentious election year as Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney gained favor among the voting public. In May 2012, the president’s former literary agent Acton & Dystel produced a previously unpublished leaflet stating that Obama was “born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii”. The promotional booklet was written in 1991 when Obama was at Harvard Law School. It was intended to be part of an Obama autobiography but the project was cancelled.

In Oct. 2012, just days before November presidential elections, Mr. Trump offered to donate $5 million to Obama’s chosen charity if the commander-in-chief would disclose his college and passport records. Trump had hoped that the disclosures would shed light on where Barack Obama was born, his citizenship status, and whether or not he was admitted to college and law school as a foreign exchange student. President Obama ignored Trump’s challenge in media interviews and refused to release the requested records.

However, comedian Bill Maher did issue a challenge to Mr. Trump to produce his birth certificate in exchange for $5 million donated to the latter’s favorite charity. Maher made the offer on Jan. 7 on “The Tonight Show with Jay Leno”. On Tuesday, the real estate tycoon produced a birth certificate showing that he was born in New York City. Trump’s lawyer then issued a letter asking the HBO host to make good on his $5 million offer.

Attached hereto is a copy of Mr. Trump’s birth certificate, demonstrating that he is the son of Fred Trump, not an orangutan. Please remit the $5 million to Mr. Trump immediately and he will ensure that the money be donated to the following five charities in equal amounts: Hurricane Sandy Victims, The Police Athletic League, The American Cancer Society, The March of Dimes, and The Dana-Farber Cancer Institute.

Read original here: http://www.examiner.com/article/supreme-court-to-hear-case-on-obama-s-alleged-forged-documents

313 Responses. Have your say.

  1. Interesting to say the least…

  2. Lee says:

    Always trying to keep a brother down! Well Biden will be president at least and will this make Hllary Clinton vice president? Democrates will still be in power for the next 4 years so have your case ready it wont change a thing! Rich are still getting Richer and the poor are still strugglling to get to middle class, And we willstill have Obama no matter what ! Freaking Deal with it! I wish someone did this with other Presidents, Former President Bill Clinton was going to be imeached for having an affair, he still stayed in office.Republicans lost the race and thats that! No one would have questioned Mitt Romney if he was President and thank god, we would have had higher prices than what we do now!

  3. Clinton was impeached. Impeachment does not automatically mean removal from office. Look it up. If a president is removed from office, whatever the circumstance, the vice president is ascended to the office. Biden would indeed be president. But that does not mean everybody in the queue moves up to the next seat. The new president gets to appoint his vice president, subject to congressional approval. Look that up, too.

  4. rebelready says:

    Don’t get too excited people–distributed for conference means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING and on February 18 when the orders come out the chance that this petition will be among a long list of other petitions associated with the word DENIED is extremely high. They like you to believe that the justices read petitions submitted by people seeking their last chance at justice and that the decisions are made by the justices but it just doesn’t happen the way it should. See http://www.scribd.com/doc/97234537/William-K-Suter-Clerk-of-Court-for-the-Supreme-Court-of-the-United-States-is-CORRUPT-Are-decisions-by-the-Supreme-Court-founded-on-Quid-Pro-Quo And best of luck in your pursuit to bring a grievance before a court because we actually only have that right on paper; it really does not exist in today’s America where the courts are actually mini mob families ran by the corrupt. BTW my petition cost nearly $600,000. to produce and file and they thought it was OK to continue to block it from any legitimate adjudication!!!

  5. At LEAST the case is finally being taken seriously, treasonous bastard. And it not a case of color. Remember he is half-white. So friggin what. It is a case of treason.

  6. and boy was his incubator white mother one hell of an incubus or succubus

  7. Scott says:

    Just curious Lee, are you a racist? Sounds like it :)

  8. milehisnk says:

    Actually, if they determine that he was elected fraudulently, they could throw out the votes for Obama, which would nullify his presidency, and as such, could cause chaos, because any bill he signed into law would be illegal, as it was not signed by a legal president. Now, since this is a matter concerning the election, if his electoral votes are thrown out, Biden would not be guaranteed presidency, because no precedent has been set on an issue like this, they could completely dismiss all electoral votes for Obama and declare the runner up the winner, in this case Romney. I’m not saying it’s a guarantee, just saying that’s a possibility.

  9. Wayne Winder says:

    if Romney got in we’d have higher prices then we do now … just another victim of Obama math for sorry for those people that believe in that stuff

  10. Dave Amstutz says:

    You are a special kind of stupid.

  11. unbontir says:

    You wrote,”…the votes of four justices are needed to advance a case.” Should not the two justices appointed by Mr. Obama recuse themselves for obvious conflicts of interest. If the outcome of the case should be a decision by the court that Mr. Obama was illegally elected twice while fraudulently representing himself as constitutionally eligible to be president, then the appointments of two Supreme Court justices would have been made while the usurper-in-chief was in the commission of the crime of the usurpation of the presidency.
    Would Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin, one time surgeon in America’s finest, the 101st Airborne Division of the US Army, have the opportunity for legal recourse for having been stripped of his rank and court martialed for simply requesting of his purportedly legal commander-in-chief for authentication from said person occupying said military rank of said person’s purported constitutional eligibility to occupy said military rank and wield concomitant military authority of said military rank? Dr. Lakin was sentenced to prison for requesting to see evidence of Obama’s eligibility–an act consistent with the officer’s oath that Dr. Lakin had taken to defend the Constitution. Should Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin not be re-instated into the US Army with retro-active re-instatement of his rank with full back pay? Should he not be awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor for his brave stand in defense of the Constitution?
    Should the illegal elections of Barack ‘King’ Hussein Obama, Jr., the ‘Manchurian’ Muslim from Mombasa, a.k.a. ‘Bath House’ Barry Soetoro, a.k.a. Soebarkah, a.k.a. Harrison J. Bounel not be retro-actively ABROGATED for having taken place while in the commission of crimes against the Constitution? Should all those complicit in the most horrendous crimes against the American experiment in government by the people not be prosecuted unto the fullest extent of the law? The most sinister cover-up of unparalleled magnitude continues and our elected officials and judicial system proceed as if deaf, dumb, and blind to the crimes of Mr. Obama, or whatever his actual, legal name should one day be determined to be.

  12. Texas Realist says:

    Actually, the ONLY way to remove a sitting president is for Congress to impeach him–regardless if he’s not qualified or using forged documents. As President Nixon did, he could resign but I doubt that would happen with Obama.

    No federal court and order him removed–even the Supreme Court. See US Constitution.

    Impeachment requires the House to pass Articles of Impeachment and the Senate becomes the court and the Senators the jury. It takes a super-majority to impeach, 68 senators I think. Since the Democrats hold 55 seats, again I doubt that would happen…UNLESS…see below..

    Here’s the only option, as I see it, and it’s not much to hope for:
    A federal court, or SCOTUS could issue an order, to try the case. Currently, there is NO trial record in this case. Remember also, this is a civil case so attorney Dr. Taitz would have to get the witnesses testimony on the legal record–along with all the documents. In this case she listed as defendants almost any elected official, state and federal, with a pulse, so EACH defendant may be represented by counsel. It would take months, at a minimum, to get anywhere. I’m not an attorney, but she should try to “focus” the case on the Obama stuff and drop the other defendants(like the Calif. SOS or Sen. Feinstein). And Obama’s records are “sealed”. To get the records unsealed will require motions, testimony, judge deliberations, and the issue of a court order, if she’s successful, for each set of records. Obama’s attorneys will object at every step, again adding months. They may try appealing any order to a federal court of appeals adding more months.
    ….AND after months MAYBE the true information begins to seep-out regarding the various documents. IF any of the documents are finally found to be forged the court might rule in Dr. Taitz favor but the court CAN’T rule to remove Obama. Getting a court record, however, SHOULD get the public’s attention and the attention of CONGRESS. Maybe the court appoints a special prosecutor to begin a criminal investigation(again, to build the record and provide the facts to Congress).
    SO, and sorry for the long post, if there’s builds enough public pressure and the media finally starts doing their job, maybe it will kick Congress into action.

    Remember Clinton’s impeachment? The media told you it was about his sex with in intern so it didn’t rise to the level of impeachment. That, of course isn’t true. Clinton LIED under other to a US Federal Grand Jury and should have been removed from office. Since he wasn’t, don’t hold much hope this case will get anywhere.

    BTW: While the state legal actions to remove Obama from various ballots were valid PRIOR to Nov 2008, once Obama was elected the issues really moved to Congress and the federal courts.

    Sorry to throw cold water on this, but unless there’s some federal court that rules the documents forged, nothing will happen…

  13. Understandably unlikely, however, between the years 1841 to 1975, more than one-third of all U.S. presidents have either died in office, resigned, or become disabled.

  14. As in the tank as the Senate is for Obama I hope even they would not ignore something as damaging to the office of the President and the fabric of this nation as a President who committed s felony to get elected. If they did I would hope the American people would punish them with Unemployment.

  15. Have you ever read anything ? Who the hell do you think is getting rich? Try your President and his Democratic friends. Soros Apple Microsoft, All the Hollywood goons. It isn’t just Republicans getting rich . It is the People in power getting rich and the goons in the background supporting them. You really need to research what is happening to America.

  16. It would make a world of difference. An illegal president cannot sign laws or create executive orders nullifying Obamacare and the recent assault on the 2nd amendment. Ev
    Assuming that Biden was not involved in the fraud a Republican House would not allow the repassage of Obamacare. I still have some trust that the Supreme Court will halt the assault on the Constitution.

  17. Nixon neither used forged documents nor was he ever not Qualified. I think this might be a little different but i will read up on it. I think if he lied and forged documents there would be someway to nullify his Presidential appointment.

  18. moose says:

    trump is wrong and so are a lot of other people. you can be born outside of the US and still be president, as long as both your parents were US citizens at the time of your birth. Think about it…if your parents are on vacation in europe and your mom is pregnant with you….or your dad is stationed in germany whilst in the army and your mom lives with him…. If they really want to prove this thing, find out what Mr presidents parents citizenship was at the time of his birth. then case closed.

  19. moose says:

    what the hell does that have to do with anything? and
    only one resigned….

  20. Sandy says:

    This is not a black or white issue, Lee. You sound racist. You automatically assume if white people want Obama out it’s a race thing. So, you have become the same thing you are accusing others of doing. Obama is flushing our Constitution down the toilet thereby making us slaves. I wouldn’t expect you to understand that because your statement is very telling that you do not know the Constitution to see his blatant disregard for the very thing that makes us all FREE!

    I wanted Bush impeached, too! I signed petitions. Obama is worse than Bush and it isn’t because of his skin color. BTW…Obama is not black. That is a lie he tells to gain sympathy and votes from the black community. He maybe a quarter or something like that. His mother is white and his father is Muslim and African American or something like that. I can’t remember the exact number. Not that it matters.

  21. Erik says:

    The constitution reads natural born US Citizen which means you must be born on US soil not just to US parents.

  22. Elizabeth says:

    A ‘brother’? Are you kidding? First, read your history books and the facts about how the executive office works- nothing like ignorance encouraging more ignorance, brother.

  23. You’re wrong. Take this example –

    S.Res. 511 (110th): A resolution recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.

    110th Congress, 2007–2009. Text as of Apr 30, 2008 (Resolution Agreed to).

    Source: GPO

    SRES 511 ATS

    110th CONGRESS

    2d Session

    S. RES. 511

    Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.

    IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

    April 10, 2008

    Mrs. MCCASKILL (for herself, Mr. LEAHY, Mr. OBAMA, Mr. COBURN, Mrs. CLINTON, and Mr. WEBB) submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary

    April 24, 2008

    Reported by Mr. LEAHY, without amendment

    April 30, 2008

    Considered and agreed to

    RESOLUTION

    Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.

    Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a `natural born Citizen’ of the United States;

    Whereas the term `natural born Citizen’, as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States;

    Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to Americans serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their country’s President;

    Whereas such limitations would be inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the `natural born Citizen’ clause of the Constitution of the United States, as evidenced by the First Congress’s own statute defining the term `natural born Citizen’;

    Whereas the well-being of all citizens of the United States is preserved and enhanced by the men and women who are assigned to serve our country outside of our national borders;

    Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President; and

    Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it

    Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen’ under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.

  24. Lynn says:

    Hey, if he got “into” office fraudulently, he’s not president and impeachment does not apply, just arrest. There’s no reason to remove from office because he was never in.

  25. biden and clinton will be the vice == which probably is plan B .. NEED TO CLEAN HOUSE . We are dealing with the ten headed snake

  26. Chup says:

    Won’t be Clinton!! It’ll be Kerry!! That’s why he accepted, he will try and pull a LBJ!! Just saying.

  27. Roy Stewart says:

    Dean F. Halonen: 2004, The GOP Refused to Field a Candidate. Instead they Honorarily to Bob Dole which to me showed either ignorance or indifference to whether they garnered the Oval Office! Elizabeth Dole could have ‘changed history’ ! Mrs. Dole was well liked, and had served several significant positions ! The Nation has not healed from the wounds inflicted by Clinton, and now we are ‘saddled’ with Obama !! At last SCOTUS is looking at the case of his eligibility! They will not need look too deep, as the evidence of his faking forgeries, lost documents, tampered Passports. Plenty there! Hope they are awake that day!

  28. Brian says:

    Still think that Lee? I bet you are not following the news lately with all the scandals from the white house and wow, look at all the garbage coming out of obamacare! Everybody I have talked to have been zapped with $30-$100 per pay check since January 1st! And that is just the tip of the iceberg as it turns out that many of the poor won’t be covered and there are more taxes coming out of just obamacare. Next time you decide to vote, check out the facts! It is not about putting a brother or taking a brother out, it is about getting somebody in that is legal and supports our constitution. Keep watching! The trainwreck is only getting bigger!

  29. ghostmarine says:

    the one question which no one has obtained an answer for is this: if bho has nothing to hide, then why is he hiding? for far too long (from one four year term, and going into the next) bho has paid millions to bury, hide, and obscure his past from the naked light of day.
    my advice to him is the following: secrets don’t stay buried forever. one day the truth will surface, and nothing bho, nor anyone else can do anything to stop it. 1,400+ days until our national nightmare is over…then bho will become a private citizen again. hopefully his past coming to light won’t take that long…

  30. You’re right Lee. it’s much more important that Obama be given a special exemption to the Constitution because he’s ‘a brother’. The law of the land obviously doesn’t apply to black people. Right On!

  31. Nailer45 says:

    If obama is found to have comitted fraud and taken office then obama and joe biden both will be removed . if that happens the speaker of the house takes position of president until a special election can be held.

  32. Jeffrey Golin says:

    This is deceptive. They aren’t going to review this case. It’s only gone to conference. Anyone can file a petition for certioari to the US Supreme Court, if he has a denial of a case in lower court. The chances of any petition for cert being granted are less than 2 out of every 100. THis is going nowhere. They’re going to sit at a conference table and reveiew hundreds of case on afternoon, and maybe, if they’re extremely lucky, then it will be reviewed.

  33. Brenda says:

    Some people will never get it….At least Biden wasn’t raised with communist mentors, yeah look it up. But some of you still want an illegal, marxist,lying commie in there don’t ya?

  34. Brenda says:

    You are right Scott. And they call us racist for not voting for him, while they are the racists for voting for him BECAUSE he is black, or a brother as they say…LOL

  35. DottieK says:

    We are in a state of chaos right now! Out of control government and out if control communication with the people with regard to what is happening (media). Sometimes I think this just might be the “house cleaning” we need to set our government back in order. We pride ourselves in the peaceful “passing of the torch”. But maybe due to our inattention it has become sloppy and we need to re-educate ourselves and educate our children in the responsibilities of self governing!

  36. Roy says:

    A Federal Court isn’t the ultimate authority to ‘do something’ about it, the court of the People is.

  37. We simply want the fake- lying Communist Bastard child out of office regardless of who replaces him. There are plenty of better qualified black men who could be Prez. That I would vote for & support as I have before so don’t pull out your race card. :/)

  38. pff136 says:

    I have been interested in these cases since 2008, not because I simply didn’t like Obama but because of the historical aspect. I happened to be reading an exchange live on Dr. Taitz’ website at the time when it was discovered Obama was using a Connecticut social security number. Anyway, Dr. Taitz grew up in the Soviet Union (Moldavia) and understands Communism. She immigrated to Israel after the fall of the U.S.S.R., married, and they both immigrated to the U.S. She took advantage of the freedom offered in this country….became a real estate agent, dentist, AND an attorney. Some ridicule her of that and makes no sense to me. She’s smart and saw the opportunities she had never had. I heard her talking in an interview once about what would happen if Obama was removed from office over all this. I believe she said that all appointments he had made would be illegitimate but a special election would need to be held. She said over in the old Soviet bloc, they do it all the time when needed. So I’m thinking all of Obama’s appointments would be taken out and a special election would need to be held right away. I would think there’d be a way to do it Constitutionally but I’m not expert. I remember how important it was to hear the merits of these cases years ago because it was being said a Constitutional crisis would occur and all law passed by an illegitimate president would be null and void. So this is all interesting to say the least.

  39. McCain was born on a US military base, Goofball. Obama’s father was NOT an American citizen, his mother was. OMG! And they let people like you vote?

    Interesting we can question McCain’s right to run for office but not Obama’s?

  40. nitro476D says:

    Hey Stupid, the so called “brothers” are a plague on society! Look at any country in Africa and you will see they are in the toilet! The rules for being president are clear and concise! The phony Obummer does not meet the requirements. Why has he failed to show any of his records? Wake up dummy! You are one of the biggest problems in the US; ignorant and happy to stay as such.

  41. Glenn says:

    define racism as it pertains to this article of fraudulant documents.

  42. chevyduty396 says:

    After your Obammy destroys the country and your starving, call me for a biscuit.

  43. Taylor says:

    I did read this on the internet a few months ago. I do however, have a few questions. If in fact Obama was born on US occupied soil at that time, then why the mystery and seal of documents, passports and school records? his college application shows he applied as a foreign student for discounts, and Hawaii birth place??? again, there are too many things on the certificate he did provide that they just didn’t do in what 1963? computer generated certificates was one of them. I think that was his year of birth…I have read up on several articles regarding this so forgive if I can’t remember every detail but I did read about citizenship was not compromised if born on a military base or US occupied facility. It all seems so cheesy you can’t help but doubt he is telling the truth, and I honestly feel Clinton knows the truth too. She just had too much leverage on him and got the least accomplished as SOS.

  44. B. kelley says:

    If the courts rule the documents were forged then Congress has the authority and power to forcefully remove him from office…!!!

  45. Mary Sireci says:

    Romney would have created jobs. He would stop the waste of Government

  46. Why did Americans elect me? Could it be because of the dreams from my real dad?

    Dreams from my dad
    who I never even knew,
    for Kenyans are so sad
    I’ve hoodwinked you.

    Dreams from my dad 5
    I didn’t want to tell you,
    Davis is my real dad
    and he’s Communist too.

    Dreams from my dad
    mother was a porn star, 10
    she said follow Mohammad
    and you’ll go far.

    Dreams from my dad
    did not mention this,
    they disbarred me 15
    left out or just a miss?

    Dreams from my dad,
    my shill was disbarred too,
    in Chicago we’re had
    so what shall we do? 20

    Dreams from my dad
    Americans will not mind,
    Americans are not bad
    they are just so blind!

    Dreams from my dad 25
    to the Whitehouse we go,
    “Hope and Change” said dad
    their future they won’t know.

    Dreams from my dad,
    Lenin said go “FORWARDS”, 30 “…/2”
    the cliff can be had
    and voters want more words.

    Dreams from my dad,
    Air Force One we ride,
    taxpayers are not mad 35
    and Benghazi? I must lie!

    Dreams from my dad
    biggest fraud in history,
    Hitler seems like my dad
    and I’m still a mystery. 40

  47. stephen says:

    You have been decieved by a fraud & people refuse to see it, even if there stripped naked of there rights

  48. Chris says:

    What a bunch of ignorant, racist, and seriously stupid people you have here. LMAO! You folks are too dumb to vote, own firearms, or even be allowed out in public. I’m showing my friends this, otherwise they wouldn’t believe me. Wow. Lol.

  49. No matter where he was born – I believe it was Kenya – his supposed father was not an American Citizen. The birth certificate is obviously fake. It is hilarious that the various aspects of it prove it is a computer generated item, but there are people that will argue the computer file formatting protocols were just different back then, you know, those early 1960s DOS programs were different! The Social Security number from a state in which he never lived and the fact that those numbers are not recycled obviates his is blatantly fraudulent. The Selective Service signature and manipulated stamps are just felonious frosting on the cake.

    Some people here have apparently taken my posting of the Senate resolution affirming McCain’s eligibility as a Natural Born Citizen as some sort of approval for 0bama. They’re quite wrong. No matter. I have known for decades that children of American citizens born elsewhere qualify, military personnel or not, on American sovereign soil or not.

    To place a cherry on this silly post, I believe zippy’s real father is more likely to be Frank Marshall Davis, or Satan. Take your pick.

  50. Francis and Vicki Fisher says:

    What is there about illegal do you idiot liberals not understand? No Hillary would not be vice, now you are really showing your stupidity. Speaker of the house moves up.

  51. Gregg says:

    Please explain the facts then. Please explain how Barry can have a Conneticut SS#?

  52. Pinky Lee says:

    A guy caught impersonating a police officer is not punished by having his police pension taken away…because HE’S NOT A COP TO BEGIN WITH!!! He is punished as a civilian IMPERSONATING a cop!! Likewise, Obama is an IMPERSONATOR!! Congress can ONLY impeach a LEGITIMATELY ELECTED AND CONSTITUTIONALLY QUALIFIED PRESIDENT!! Obama aka Barry aka Soebarkah, aka Harrison….is neither!!!He would be tried and punished as a civilian, and quite possibly as an illegal alien!!! However, the problem goes way beyond the nullification of bills passed and legislation signed into law. The REAL problem is that, intoxicated by racial political correctness and overwhelmed by a desire to finally solve the “race” problem, the entire ruling establishment elite; congress, the judiciary and the MSM, ALL became complicit and knowing accomplices in this most historically horrendous fraud, charade, and cover-up!! It is not just about Obama going to jail, but all of “them” going to jail, and “they” are not going to sentence themselves to jail! “They” WILL protect themselves even if it means first disarming American citizens, then creating a domestic diversion/crisis resulting in the killing of American citizens!! With the advent of this illegal-alien Marxist-Muslim Kenyan, America has crossed the line, the point of no return! In spite of all its faults and failures, it was a good run for 230 years! But now the Constitution has been irreparably, damaged, mortally wounded!! There can be no ‘clean” fix, only a dictatorial tyranny, or a bloody “do over”….because it IS over!!!

  53. If a vice president ascends to the vacated office of the president, his vice president is not automatically the Speaker or the Secretary of anything! It is not like some variation of musical chairs or something. The new president appoints a vice president of his choosing, subject to congressional approval.

  54. Pinky Lee says:

    A guy caught impersonating a police officer is not punished by having his police pension taken away…because HE’S NOT A COP TO BEGIN WITH!!! He is punished as a civilian IMPERSONATING a cop!! Likewise, Obama is an IMPERSONATOR!! Congress can ONLY impeach a LEGITIMATELY ELECTED AND CONSTITUTIONALLY QUALIFIED PRESIDENT!! Obama aka Barry aka Soebarkah, aka Harrison….is neither!!!He would be tried and punished as a civilian, and quite possibly as an illegal alien!!! However, the problem goes way beyond the nullification of bills passed and legislation signed into law. The REAL problem is that, intoxicated by racial political correctness and overwhelmed by a desire to finally solve the “race” problem, the entire ruling establishment elite; congress, the judiciary and the MSM, ALL became complicit and knowing accomplices in this most historically horrendous fraud, charade, and cover-up!! It is not just about Obama going to jail, but all of “them” going to jail, and “they” are not going to sentence themselves to jail! “They” WILL protect themselves even if it means first disarming American citizens, then creating a domestic diversion/crisis resulting in the killing of American citizens!! With the advent of this illegal-alien Marxist-Muslim Kenyan, America has crossed the line, the point of no return! In spite of all its faults and failures, it was a good run for 230 years! But now the Constitution has been irreparably, damaged, mortally wounded!! There can be no ‘clean” fix, only a dictatorial tyranny, or a bloody “do over”….because it IS over!!

  55. Nobody else moves up. If a sitting president vacates office and his vice president then ascends to the office, the new president appoints his choice of whoever he wants to be vice president, who is then subject to congressional approval. There are no other seats that automatically move to the vacated office above.

  56. Alex belyakov says:

    I don’t believe it’s a civil case

  57. Bonnie says:

    Please stop trying to make this a race issue. It is not it is an issue of Constitutional rights and wrongs. I really don’t think anyone cares about the color of his skin it it could be purple for all I care I want the laws obeyed by the President as well as Congress and The House like the ordinary people who vote for them. So get off the racial high horse the law is the law.

  58. Moses is 100% correct. John McCain, Mit Romney’s father, etc. and thousands of Americans are born outside of America while on duty or visit abroad. At the time of such birth, American parents are required to register such birth with the American Embassy/Consulate to make this birth as 100% American birth and not foreign. This is the law. Check it out!

  59. Carol Sibley says:

    This would be great if it were true! Guess who moves up? Idiot Biden! At least he is an American!

  60. Jerry says:

    It’s a criminal case…

  61. DK says:

    Really, then how do you explain our President Gerald Ford? He became president cut to the resignations of Richard Nixon, then Spiro Agnew. As Speaker of the Huse, he moved into the office of President. That’s how the law is set. So if we lose Obama and Biden (oh how sad that would be) then John Boehner automatically moves into the office of President. That’s how it’s always been.

  62. Jennifer Lovins says:

    I have always thought Obama was hidening the Truth didn,t think he should be president of THE U S A. I don,t believe he was born here. I think it should be well looked into & if FRAUD He should be Impeached now. I believe his Grandmother when she said he was borned in Kenya.I,d think she should know. I think we the people have a right to know the truth.

  63. You’re wrong. That’s not how it has been since the 25th Amendment. Ford was the first person appointed to the vice presidency under the terms of the 25th Amendment, after Spiro Agnew had resigned in October 1973, well prior to Nixon resigning. When he became president upon Richard Nixon’s resignation on August 9, 1974, he became the first and to date only person to have served as both vice president and president of the United States without being elected by the electoral college. Upon ascending to the presidency, he appointed Nelson Rockefeller, who was approved by congress in short order.

  64. But yes, the Speaker of the house ascends to the presidency if both the president and the vice president are vacated. That isw how it has been.

  65. And whenever the president is replaced by whoever, he or she gets to appoint whoever they want to be their vice president, subject to congressional approval.

  66. Who’s the brother? Last time I checked O-Man had a white mother which makes him 1/2 white, lol.

  67. ERIC MILLER says:

    ITS CALLED A MILITARY COUP.
    A PRO-TEMP PRESIDENT WILL BE SET UP AND THEN THE REAL FUN BEGINS!

  68. Don Uber says:

    The Court will decide not to take on the case.

    This I think is very funny….
    “He [Obama] spent $2 million in legal fees trying on to get away from this issue, and if it weren’t an issue, why wouldn’t he just solve it? I wish he would because if he doesn’t, it’s one of the greatest scams in the history of politics and in the history, period. You are not allowed to be a president if you’re not born in this country. Right now, I have real doubts” (Donald Trump)

    I think Obama would say, “Go ahead, Continue Mr. Trump”.

  69. vrajavala says:

    Biden and the entire Democrap party are complicit in this scam. If Jidge England directs the Electoral College votes are vacated, then Mitt Romney becomes Presudent. Remember the initial relief sought by the plaintiffs was to stop Electoral College. So he can vacate the Jan 6th Electoral College.

  70. Publius says:

    Well, if Justice Roberts has an axe to grind after being blackmailed over the Obamacare then this may come full circle. Under the rules the whole administration will be removed from office as they all know about it and did nothing.

  71. unbontir says:

    Sounds like you are a learned attorney. I would appreciate reading you and Leonard Daneman discussing the legalities–or illegalities–of the various cases presently underway against the criminal usurper-in-chief. If attorney Larry Klayman gets before the new Chief Justice of the Alabama State Supreme Court, according to the judges words in an article ’10 Commandments Judge” Roy Moore: No Convincing Evidence That “Obama” is a U.S. Citizen’ by George M. Jan. 21, 2013, and a decision is rendered by the Al. Sup. Court in attorney Klayman’s favor…then what?
    One other question: Can Orly Taitz, Larry Klayman, Mario Puzo, Sheriff Joe Arpaio and others go after those complicit in the criminal usurpation of the presidency? People like Michelle Obama, Sen. Abercrombie of Hawaii, administrators at Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard Law School, etc…?

  72. kelly says:

    If a president is impeached or removed its House that picks new prez. 7 senate picks vp.

  73. Can you give citation for that, because it is not correct according to all standing law. Unless something prevents the vice president from ascending to the office, he becomes president. For example JFK assassinated and LBJ was sworn in in a few hours. Nixon resigned and Ford was sworn into office quickly. How is it that so many people do not know how this simple process flows?

  74. vrajavala says:

    It would seem that Kagan and Sotomayor should recuse themselves. However, I don’t think it’s 100% required.

  75. Reader of Pleadings says:

    Apparently, none of you have taken the time to find out exactly what Orly is asking the Supreme Court to do. This is it: 1. Stay of certification of results of the California election for the U.S. Senate; and, 2. Stay of certification of presidential election in California and certification of any and all votes for candidate Obama. All that has already happened. Unless the Supreme Court has a Tardis, there is nothing for the Court to stay.

  76. Nutmegger says:

    Hi folks. As we old combat warriors used to say–I think the shit is about to hit the fan. I served my country during three wars, and believe this issue is worse for our great Country. God help us.

  77. Pitzel says:

    I agree with Mary Sireci…Who says prices would have gone up with Romney? He would have created jobs and not erected himself as emperor.

  78. No Scott, Obama is derstroying the Country as we stand here and watch….! Wake up he is the worst president in History so far according to records, Spending, tax Laws, and many Exceutive decisions he his immplimetnting that is goin to tear this country apart. He is not a qualufied to be President under the laws of the constitution and the United States Supreme Court.. John Roberts from the Supreme court agreed to here a Birther case in the Fraduletn documents Obama has put forth..! He will be removed! It’s all facts and will come out!!!

  79. Pitzel says:

    Lee…You sound racist. Automatically assuming that a white person that doesn’t like Obamao and his policies is a racist. Who’s keeping “the brother down” other than themselves? America has given more and done more for the black community and other minorities than any other nation on earth. America continues to elevate minorities. You keep yourself down, “brother.”

  80. Moose his Father was not a natural born citizen of the United States of America look it up!!! Get the Facts before you comment!!!

  81. Justice John Roberts is going to review a case on Feb 15th regarding Obama’s use of a fake SS#.

    The case review is real:

    http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/12a606.htm

    We do not think Roberts will act so we are demanding that Congress take action.

    Over 22,530 Letters and Emails Sent So Far.

    http://www.petition2congress.com/9026/start-immediate-investigation-barack-obamas-use-forged-ids-ct-ssn/

    Please tell someone you know.

  82. You go girl! This is to Susan A. Davis.

  83. Proud of #44 says:

    Orly Taitz and ALL the rest of you birther MOTHERFUCKERS need to go and drink antifreeze. President Obama laughs at all of you sore loser, shit eating motherfuckers. He’ll be finished with the Presidency on of about 1/20/2017. Until then, GO FUCK YOURSELVES!!!

  84. Irate in Texas says:

    Folks – read the article again. “Forgery of government documents is considered a felony.” FELONY. THIS CASE IS BEING FILED AS A CRIME. Not a civil lawsuit. They are currently pushing for his arrest in Connecticut due to a stolen social security number. This is simple identity theft which is a crime. We, the people, have to keep this going because they are doing everything they can to push this under the rug. Check out Orly Taitz’s website – She is now receiving death threats. Now why would that be??? Of the millions of articles that she has posted over the past 3 -4 years, they are all being wiped off the Internet as fast as they can. Now why would that be? Because she is getting very close to the source. He was born in Kenya, raised in Indonesia as a Muslim. I am outraged by everything that is going on but it continues to become obvious that our country is being taken down from the inside. BE LOUD!!! BE NOTICED!! Let the press know. There has to be a few people with scruples left here in America.

  85. Pitzel says:

    Quite testy aren’t you Proud of #44. Such language. TSH TSH I would imagine you are a koolade drinking Obamao supporter who collects welfare and all the freebies that us working ppl provide you. My words to you is…GET A JOB!

  86. Proud of #44 says:

    Fuck you and that SCREECH, SCREECH, SCREECH, SCREECH, SCREECHING cunt Orly. She’s nothing but a wasted fuck by her parents.

  87. smrstrauss says:

    Re: “scheduled a birther case.”

    That is wrong. The Supreme Court merely put a birther case, one by Orly, onto a list of forty of fifty cases that have been appealed to it, and that it regularly considers taking or not taking. In fact, every case that is appealed to it is considered at one of those regular meeting, and it takes very few cases, rejecting 99.9% of them, and it has rejected every single birther case so far. The point to keep in mind is that the US Supreme Court HAS NOT called this birther case. It will not hear this birther case. It will simply consider whether to take it or not, and most likely it will not take it.

    Obama’s birth in Hawaii is shown by:

    (1) the birth certificate, short form and long form; (2) the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties; (3) the confirmation by the public Index data file; (4) the confirmation by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and only the DOH could send those notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii); (5) The Hawaii teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley; (6) the fact that Obama’s Kenyan relatives NEVER said that he was born in Kenya and, instead, said repeatedly that Obama was born in Hawaii, and the fact that the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya”story and found it false; (7) The fact that Hawaii is thousands of miles away from the nearest foreign country and women rarely traveled late in pregnancy in 1961. And neither Obama’s parents nor his grandparents at the time were rich enough or dumb enough to send their daughter on a long, expensive and risky trip (the rate of stillbirths was high in those days) to a foreign country late in pregnancy—-when there were perfectly good hospitals in Hawaii.

  88. smrstrauss says:

    The Supreme Court is not going to hear Orly’s case. much less make a decision. It has simply put Orly’s case onto a list of forty or fifty other cases that it will consider taking or not taking. It is simply a regular meeting to decide whether or not to take cases, and it takes very few cases, and it has not taken a single birther case so far.

  89. smrstrauss says:

    Interesting, if you believe it. It is highly misleading. All that is happening is that the US Supreme Court put Orly’s case onto a list of forty or fifty other cases that it is considering taking or not taking. ALL cases that are appealed to it are considered at such meetings. That is all.

  90. Rick Kimmel says:

    Also any law that Congress has passed and was signed into law by Obama would be void! That would jerk a knot into the tails of the criminals in Washington! Maybe next time they’ll know to check credentials.

  91. TakeBack America says:

    There are experts that dispute your points above and none of your points above refer to the SS#. He is illegally using a SS# issued in CT. No one has an answer for that issue. All of your points could be true and he could still go to jail for illegally using someone else’s SS#.

  92. Linna says:

    American is a land of representative government and every vote should count … yet, we overlooked massive military votes not being counted, non functioning
    election machines that voted Obama when Romney was selected … Hugo Chavez in Venezuela and in Iraq – their countries both ran elections again when there was a hint of fraud. Possible to do in this country …

  93. Linna says:

    I think it is a separate issue, he is not just vacating office, he would not be able to serve. Also, anyone else supporting him and knowing of fraud would be implicated … like Biden or Hillary, Reid or Pelosi.

  94. Linna says:

    I was amazed that Justice Roberts put the case on the agenda. As it said, they need four justices to agree to send it to further consideration. I believe there would be four …

  95. Mr. Obama is linked to two murders – the first in Chicago in 2004, the other in Washington, DC in 2008. Both murders occurred before Obama had been nominated for the presidency by the democrats. I am not accusing Obama of executing the murders himself, nor am I suggesting that he even gave the order to commit the murders. However, he is indeed the reason for the murders taking place.

    The 2004 murder, according to a book entitled “Barack Obama & Larry Sinclair – Cocaine, Sex, Lies and Murder?”, written by Mr. Lawrence (Larry) Sinclair. The description of this entire story is in this book. I cannot confirm the integrity of the book, but I will say that Mr. Sinclair passed 4 polygraph tests with Obama supporters on hand.

    The Victim of the murder in Washington, D.C., whose name was Lt Quarles Harris, worked for the State Department He died in his own auto in a D.C. church yard with one bullet hole in the back of head. He also “moon lighted” by dealing in stolen credit cards. Mr. Obama, or someone in his staff, met with Lt Harris, and asked that he obtain the Mr. Obama’s passport application data from the official passport office. Lt Harris agreed to the task but was caught taking documents from a clerk he knew in the passport office. Harris was arrested by the office guards and eventually confessed to those questioning him that he was stealing the passport application data as requested by Mr. Obama. Those who read the three articles describing this fiasco in the Washington Times were puzzled that the FBI did not investigate this murder. (I have copies of these Times articles, well hidden and guarded, if anyone is interested). They can also be obtained from The Times.

    Mr. Robert Mueller, FBI Director, must have received letters in the thousands wanting to know when the investigation was to begin. I wrote 3 such letters, but no one to my knowledge received any response from Mueller or his assistants. As with all other questionable events chalked up by Obama, the House and Senate remained quiet, along with the FBI and the bulk of the entire news media.

    There is always the possibility that Lt Harris could have been shot once in the back of his head by an individual who was also in the stolen credit card business. But there again, if the FBI never begins an investigation, how will they ever help Obama if he happens to be innocent? One suffers the anxiety of realizing our government is about as corrupt as corruption gets. One then feels his own tears.

    BTW, Mr. Mueller accepted Obama’s offer to remain in office for one more term. Also, be advised that Obama continued writing exec orders even while the debate in 2012 was still going on. Did Obama know along we would win the election? I think so. George Soros and his partners had more money than the U.S. Treasury.

  96. Linna says:

    A president is sworn to uphold the Constitution … he is trying to destroy it.

  97. Linna says:

    If Obama was elected fradulently, so was Biden … Romney would be the best president we could hope for … honest, smart, gracious, charitable … they spent $300 million to destroy him and, at the end, the country turned out big time for Romney … in reality, he did win. Everyone knows that.

  98. Linna says:

    How can you say that? Romney was for helping middle class … had great ideas on how to slowly do this … as it would be a mess to unravel. He is bright .. he understands two words: STOP SPENDING!

  99. Linna says:

    He’s 6% black.

  100. Linna says:

    Agenda 21 is lurking – United Nations control of America … all mandated by federal agencies EPA, DOT and HUD …

  101. Linna says:

    If you saw the movie 2016 — D’Souza interviewed George Obama who said whites should never have left Africa – they truly helped the country.

  102. Linna says:

    Obamas father was from Kenya and british subject … this is well known.

  103. Linna says:

    There are many other concerns filing law suits on eligibility and election fraud.

  104. Linna says:

    John McCain was born on a US military base outside of America to two American parents. Military bases abroad are all considered US territory.

  105. Lance says:

    What the hell is African-American Sandy? I didn’t realize barack obama Sr. was born half in America and half in Kenya.
    You politically correct dolt.
    You remind me of that idiot Hollywood broad some years back struggling to come up with a politically correct term for someone she was introducing who happened to be African. She called him an African-American African.
    You, honey, are subliminally racist – or, as the man that I and 235 of my fellow statespeople put into the White House in 2000 said “The soft bigotry of low expectations” applies to your ‘African-American bullsh!t. The man is black.

  106. professor says:

    All of this is immaterial as nothing will actually change. As the electoral process has shown, power will continue to seek more of itself. Little to nothing changes after so called “elections” as the process is self serving and feeds upon itself. Emotional issues with enshrouding propaganda limits real discussion. It is time to realize that this system has failed and cannot be repaired as the various aspects effecting it are too broad and encased within a rigid societal framework that is unworkable. You may as well try to walk to the moon. Until the suffering level of the population as a whole reaches the breaking point it will just be more of the same. To think the current freak show called the supreme court will do what is right for the country is expecting a snail to talk.

  107. gonger carr says:

    The evidence is all there but I have no confidence in the supreme court or anyone in government to have the courage to support it. If they would it would only be by the grace of God

  108. veteran says:

    Don’t make the a racial thing this has nothing to do with a “brother” as you say, go check this out and get with the times.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-Zv8pOxASs by the way there is now a part 2 to this!!

  109. Pitzel says:

    @Proud of #44…you have quite a language problem don’t you? I don’t see where you denied that you were jobless and taking freebies from us hard working ppl. PPL like you make me sick. All you can do is rant and rave in a foul mouth way. It shows how uneducated you are. No wonder you are on welfare. I think you project onto Orly T. your own feelings about yourself and your parents. If you know who your father is that is. Welfare was probably a way of life for your family.

  110. One of Obama’s most serious faults, not really his fault directly, but which put our national security deep in harms way, was the following. The President’s background was not investigated by the FBI, the Secret Service nor any other government constabulary; nor was he vetted. Investigations of the president, and congress, as well as all officers of our military, are extremely important. Barack Obama was, in the least, questionable with regards to being exposed to top secret information. This is one of the faults which deeply upset Dr. Taitz. All Americans should consider these background checks crucial for anyone who is seeking the presidency, and especially those whose citizenship is highly questionable. I often asked in my letters to congress if anyone dared to guess how many of our top secret documents, or information on our weapons, etc. have been seen and studied by Mr. George Soros and others who may become our enemies.

    SO, DR. TAITZ HAS EVERY RIGHT TO STATE THAT KEEPING THE PRESIDENT IN OFFICE HAS A CRUCIAL EFFECT ON OUR NATIONAL SECURITY.

    Consider this. Young men who are being considered for commission to the rank of officer in one of the military units – Army, Navy, Marine Corps or Coast Guard – must undergo this same investigation of their background and heavy questioning. None of them will be approved for commissioning to officer status unless they are approved by those who investigate and/or question those candidates. The magnitude of the paper work will try one’s very soul, but we must all understand that the need for this investigation and questioning is indeed acutely necessary. So if every low grade officer must undergo this stringent investigation, surely those who are vying for the Presidency must undergo an even more stringent background check and vetting. Our national security is at stake, while the President moves about looking at our most sensitive information.

  111. JO says:

    I think somebody or country has us by the balls, who that might be, I have no idea.

  112. David Farrar says:

    I have come to the conclusion that we will have to revisit the 14th Amendment through the amendment process rather than rely on the courts to correct the wrong created by Wong Kim Ark. To paraphrase a posted message in the ‘comment section’ of the article, “Was U.S. vs. Wong Kim Ark Wrongly Decided?” (http://www.federalistblog.us/2006/12/us_v_wong_kim_ark_can_never_be_considered/): admittedly, stare decisis strongly mitigates against the Court reversing their decision at this time. It would throw the nation into chaos, and may well put the authority of the Court, itself, in jeopardy since Obama, with the support of Congress, could well decide to defy the court.

    What it should do is send the case back to a lower court and have proper ‘discovery’ take place.
    Allowing a full-court press ‘discovery’ will take the decision out of the justices hands and help the the country come together under one (proven) qualified leader for the common good of all.

    ex animo
    davidfarrar

  113. OD says:

    The only deception here comes from Taitz. She continues to imply this is a hearing. It is not. In order to short-circuit her efforts to send her case to each judge individually and sequentially, Judge Roberts — the second judge she sent it, after it was passed over for a hearing by the first — fast-tracked its demise by bringing it forward to conference — along with many, many others. That’s all this is. In essence, it has already been passed on by two justices, and this is just a formality. It’s unlikely the case will even come up for discussion, unless one justice wants to discuss it. And none is likely to, as it is without merit — that is, there was no error in a lower court. Also, it takes FIVE not four justices in this instance, to get a hearing.

    Sadly, the Narcissistic Taitz intentional deceives — she’s been this route before and knows what this is — but likes to do so to get attention. She’s a pretty sick woman.

  114. Thank you for your insightful information. Our current president seems to have learned some valuable tricks (and needless to say quite illegal) tricks from the Chicago mob. I am very worried about the security of our country. He is going to take us down from the inside out. I would hope that you go to Orly Taitz’s website and see if there is any way that you can help her. This case was denied once by Justice Kennedy but Justice Roberts put it back up for review 2 weeks later. Is there hope for our country. The Supreme Court is supposed to be balancing the power of the President and ensuring that the Constitution is adherred to. A felon and fraud has been committed and we are NOT going to let them push this under the rugs again are we?

  115. Suppose a military officer had canceled the last election and declared himself President. Would
    Congress have to impeach him and try him in order to remove him from office? Of course not; just arrest him; because he was never really President; and neither is Obama.

  116. chillydogg says:

    Overseas military bases, consulates and embassies are ABSOLUTELY not US territory. The US merely rents the land. That’s why when the leases ran out we had to leave the Panama Canal Zone and Subic Bay. It’s only a diplomatic agreement that makes embassies sacrosanct.

  117. Lois Keener says:

    Presidents do not create jobs.

  118. Lois Keener says:

    Good grief! Anyone running for the office of President has to undergo a thorough investigation. The man was born right here in Hawaii. Would an entire state support a man who claims to be born in this state who wasn’t. We are not that dumb. The POTUS will NOT be removed from office. Mitts will NOT take his place. The republicans/conservatives are watching way too much Fox and believing everything that pops up on the internet. What a sad situation. You people are turning the USA into a laughing stock.

  119. Lisa B. says:

    Gregg, it can’t be explained because, wait for it, it’ll blow your mind—-he doesn’t. You believe that because some seriously disturbed person with a degree told you so? You call us sheep? How exactly did he manage to forge all those documents to be POTUS??? Also, he went to elementary school and Harvard HERE, in the United States. I practically have to provide a DNA sample to send my children to school. His mother and he managed to “hoodwink” when he was a toddler, and he managed to hoodwink an Ivy League School and the government (who can probably hear you in your living room from space if they wanted to)? If so, he’s been a diabolical genius from BIRTH…which means he’s smarter than any of us and should be President anyways! Lol. You call us “Liberals” sheep…..I call you conspiracy theorist delusionals in need of medication. You don’t have to agree with my political views, the President’s bills or beliefs…but at least admit that’s the only reason. He did NOTHING illegal to gain office. Stop watching Fox News, it’s a sounding board for a rich white man who doesn’t even live in this country and has been thrown off the air in the United Kingdom. Lies.

  120. wisegal1958 says:

    They really need to. There is just too much evidence to ignore. It MUST be settled.

  121. Barbara says:

    My son was born in Hawaii before it was a state. It was a US Terrirory. His father and I were both US citizens. It was common knowledge then that he could never be president because he was not born within the UnIted States even though it was US soil.

  122. wisegal1958 says:

    Wrong. The arguments here are based on the wrong premise–impeachment. Keep in mind, people, that we are not talking impeachment. Obama would not be impeached–He would be declared ineligible to ever have been President, meaning that his ticket should never have been on the ballot–it was not eligible. That is a fact. Under that circumstance, the Speaker of the House could very well end up being the President. He IS eligible and was on the ballot legally. Obama/Biden were NOT. That’s a whole different ball game than impeachment procedures.

  123. Richard says:

    The treaty stated that the US shall act as if sovereign in the Canal Zone in perpetuity. Carter gave the 3.2 trillion dollar gift to Dictator Torrijos because Torrijos threatened to blow up the Gatun Dam. Some President he was! What a coward.

  124. Karen Drane says:

    Was the entire state of Hawaii in the delivery room….were you?

  125. Karen Drane says:

    “Always trying to keep a brother down!”…..Has nothing to do with being a “brother”, another term for black man. Keep in mind he is part white so he may be a “brother” to you but he’s a “mother” to me because your “brother” is bringing this country DOWN. “The rich are still getting richer and the poor are still getting poorer”…..guess you better talk to your “brother” about doing his job better. Needs to stop invading other countries and focus on this one. Except what he plans for this country is destruction. If you think prices are high now you just wait. You’ll be paying about $20 or more for a gallon of gas and bread about $8. There IS NO solution for this fiscal cliff and they waited to the last minute until their deadline approached. Everyone signed a document 158 pages long but “there was no time to read what was included”! Great job administration! Then your “brother” and his family scooted off to Hawaii at most of the taxpayer’s expense for their $20,000,000,00 vacation. How nice as the rest of us fall off that cliff…..Yep, always trying to keep a brother down!

  126. Karen Drane says:

    I agree with you about Dr.Taitz. and feel she is a respectable woman and should be treated as such. She is smart and a lot braver than most to remain persistent and be as concerned as she is about the leader of this country. She is doing us all a huge service of protecting us from what I’m sure she sees as a Tyrant having the background experience with Communism. I hope there are four judges who will review this and by the Grace of God have him removed as President. I’ve been an American for six decades and something is deeply wrong here!

  127. Karen Drane says:

    It’s NEVER over until “the fat lady sings!” NEVER! NEVER! Give up! Check yourself…..rolling over all ready???

  128. Karen Drane says:

    Thanking Lt. Col. Terrence Lakin for being a fine Soldier, a true Patriot and Oath Keeper!

  129. Shauna Beal says:

    I have wondered day and night about what could or would happen. People seem to elude to it when saying the “state or the people” will take the government back. There has been talk of civil war and succession . How would that happen? What would it look like? The Supreme Court will do nothing, because most of the justices do not believe in a literal Constitution. I believe in the end, it will be as other countries settle these matters, with Generals who uphold their oaths. They are the true believers.

  130. Karen Drane says:

    John Kerry….Skull and Bones member….oh no! Can’t seem to get away from all this FUNK!

  131. Karen Drane says:

    Right On, Dottie!

  132. After filing an affidavit of eyewitness testimony of President Obama;s birth at Forbes air Force Base Hospital at Toepka Ks with sec of state of Ks on 9/14/12, his staff searched for the death certificate of his real Dad( name never in media) murered ina raist attack on both leaving three dead and no investigiation for 50+ year, which started the fear for safty or them in he first place; then the marriage certiificate to obama sr a couple of months before birth for conveneince of both, they l=benver lived together at McIvacr cahpel washburn univeristy Toepka Ks , My Dad arranged th ammarge and marred the with members fo the black sorotty inattndance. Then in searching for his brith certificte I asked them to check under Barry Soetro as if there was an dadpton it would have been chaned, and at that pt there was a gasp and the coment “WWE DON;T THINK HE KNOWS”. I called orly Taitz a and begged her to ask for the court order for the records in the up coming hearing. Kris Kobach said he was eleigible, and few understood he was not refferring to the Hawiai records, but Olry Tait did not ask for the ourt order, and that;s the only way to release them unless the President signe and as I said in my afidavit as of 1/71 hismaternal grandmother stopped mefrom saying anything to him about Toepka ks.The judge idid not dismiss the case and is waiting… Voters should have known if it was relelvant to their votee. As for all the Social secity numbers, as an empleye of SSA since 1968, its improbable that SSA has not resolved all this many years ago. But I have no first hand knowdle of that, My mother, Flrence Hardy took my seocd cousin to the hostial to have him. I began psoitng on my own sites 7.26.12 and in Daily Recaps since of the deatils. Soon David Mariness was intereiwed on Hardball and admitted that he had the Toepka leads and didn ot follwoe them. In a 2004 book reveiw on S cs[an the President said He took what he had been told and sove a story. But it was not the right one. Please do tell your childeren the ruth of ther origens, they might want to run for President some day and millions have been made off oaf this to the poistn the truth is not wanted to be told, I am making no money form this and have gotten some flake over it form those who do not want him to be eligile when he is, just the worng state. Linda Joy Adams

  133. Sorry about some of the typos as I couldn’t get my system to scroll down to the end when doing spell check.

  134. Karen Drane says:

    You could be right the judges are going though the motions of passing it along. I laugh as you call her Narcissistic….that title belongs to Barry, Barack and Harrison.Same goes for the word “sick’…..

  135. He was born in Toepka ks at Forbes air force base hospital. my mother did not fly to Hawaii or even KENYA IN HER CHEVY WITH HIS MOTHER> Sec of State of Ks Kris Kobach and the Ks judge are waiting for Orly Taitz to file the court order for the reocrds of death of his murdered Dad ina riacst attack on both, merraie crtiificate to Obama Sr arranged by my Dad nsd the iirth reocrds, all a Topkeka. Ther;s been so much money made off the false bio mput in place mby his maternal grandmother soon after birth, that no one seems to be able to aford the truth and any eye witnesses are ignored and few of tus have been permitted to speak out. I finally went on line in my own sites 7.26/12 and in Daily recps since to explane it all. HE WS not told, and the staff of the Sec of state said so.Linda Joy Adams

  136. Karen Drane says:

    Lisa…How incredibly naive you are. People don’t seal and hide documents when they have nothing to hide. Criminals know how to get false identification all the time and even print counterfeit money that filters out in the public before ever detected.. I suppose you have no idea that we have pedophiles sitting in our administration and those that employ the services of prostitutes.or watch kiddie porn and 3 year old are the most popular age. Sickening to say the least…and you call Dr. Taitz “disturbed”? Wake Up lady!

  137. Muse says:

    I agree with Linna! The fact that Justice John Roberts put the case on the agenda is a very, VERY BIG deal! It’s a shame that they didn’t listen to or act upon Justice Scalia having done this before Obama was officially inaugurated. At least we have two outstanding men who know the truth about O and are willing to risk their lives on ousting the “Great Pretender”! They find a communist raised, basically parentless child from a “family?” of God only knows where in truth, raise him to hate his caucasion mother, his grandmother gives him numerous cards from SS. to use, his mother went to the only Communist school in OR as a child and teen before moving,……and Obama WILL NOT RELEASE HIS RECORDS! WHAT, MY FRIENDS, COULD BE MORE OBVIOUS than his refusal to show any of these very records to “WE THE PEOPLE”???? Not a damned thing! WE THE PEOPLE OF THESE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IN FULL AGREEMENT,… DEMAND A FULL INVESTIGATION OF WHO THIS MAN SORETORO/OBAMA REALLY IS AND “WHO BLACKED OUT ALL HIS PAST AND PRESENT INFORMATION ABOUT HIS LIFE THROUGH 2009 AS WELL AS ALL OF HIS COMRADES! LIKE BILL AYRES and his crazy bomb making wife. She deliveed both Obama daughters at home, I’m told. That will all come out in the wash too, I suppose. Those poor girls! Their mother has to have known as she was dating Barry, not Barack, as is thought by most. Frank Marshall Davis is one whom should be checked out thoroughly as Obama had no money to attend any of the prestigious schools he went to and was nurtured in Communism by this man who hated America! Don’t you all find this as BIZARRE as it gets? Don’t you want REAL ANSWERS and to have have the bum thrown out if he is a pathological narcissist liar, raised to be the greatest joke in the history of the world? Please write the members of the Supreme Court and deluge them for a FULL HEARING on everything this man has professed, retract every law he has made,..EVERY ONE OF THEM, get rid of all his czars with him, ERIC HOLDER FIRST AND FOREMOST,…throw out Biden for going along with this bull as well as the Botox Queen Pelosi, Hillary Clinton, and everyone of the people who have knowingly let this man – The Imposter In Chief – carry on – knowing all along that he was a plant by the George Soros and other elites who helped get him in. I PRAY WE SHALL SEE TRUE JUSTICE DONE THIS TIME – OTHERWISE THE US IS COMING DOWN FOLKS. DON’T KID YOURSELVES!

  138. Karen Drane says:

    Irate in Texas……Lot of people getting killed for “whistle blowing”. She could be very well on his infamous kill list. Although, some regard that as a conspiracy theory….yeah sure! People do need to support her and stay on it in spite of all their “planned distraction” methods they use. will go forward…BEING LOUD!

  139. Karen Drane says:

    Henry….Sounds about right…..and there is so much more lurking in the dark!

  140. Karen Drane says:

    God will be our Vindicator, nonetheless….even if we can’t stop this demonic disease, It is truly Satan we are fighting against and Obama is one of his soldiers!

  141. Karen Drane says:

    You are right to be concerned and she wasn’t even born in this country but puts herself at risk…AND her family in order to protect ALL OF US and this country,,,she is a brave woman and more of a PATRIOT than many of us. I watched her being interviewed on video and it was such a disgrace that they would not let her even talk or finish answering their questions and she kept asking them to please let her finish but they were so disrespectful and unprofessional that it became quite sickening!

  142. Panamajax says:

    Except for skin color Mitt and Barry are twins, owned and operated by the same mega bankster thieving rat-buzzards and the only thing the Mittster might do different is start WW3 a bit sooner than Odroner would. And the entire legislature needs to get the boot too. Yes, a couple of good people would get thrown out with the dirty bathwater but, hey, can’t make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, right? I’d prefer taking all the rope in Texas and find a tall oak tree…………

  143. Muse says:

    I’ve read most of your comments and those that will be stupid, will continue to be stupid, so let the dead bury the dead on that one. THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT, SO LISTEN UP! OBAMA SIGNED THE PATRIOT ACT **AGAIN** (GOOGLE IT AND FIND OUT WHAT IT MEANS!) , “COMPLETELY NULLIFYING THE CONSTITUTION OF THESE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA” THE DAY AFTER HE WAS SWORN IN AGAIN THIS 2ND TIME.

    MARTIAL LAW IS ON ITS WAY PEOPLE. FIRST THEY DISARM THE PEOPLE THROUGH FALSE FLAG OPS, IE, THE ONE IN AURORA, CO,…HAVE SOME GRAND WEATHER WARS, LIKE PUMMELING AND DESTROYING THE NEW JERSEY AND OTHER N. EASTERN AREAS, AND YES,..IT REALLY IS TRUE – (HAPPENING FOR AT LEAST FIVE DECADES GLOBALLY BY VARIOUS COUNTRIES AND TO OTHER COUNTRIES, (THE USA INCLUDED IN THIS VITRIOLIC DAMNED BUSINESS) – BEGIN SPRAYING US ALL WITH FLU AND GOD KNOWS WHAT ELSE – ASK YOU IN MEDICAL OFFICES IF YOU YOU HAVE HAD A FLU SHOT OR IF YOU OWN ANY FIREARMS????? WTF??? AND THE LIST GOES ON. “THE CONSTITUTION IS DEAD” TO THIS COMMUNIST IN DC AND TO ALL WHO HAVE PUT THEIR HAND TO HIS SATANIC DEEDS!

    WAKE UP PEOPLE! THEY’LL OFFER YOU A NICE WARM PLACE TO LIVE (NOT!!!) IN ONE OF THEIR MILLION PEOPLE HOLDING CAMPS RUN BY FEMA AND YOU’LL WONDER WHAT IN THE HELL HIT YOU AS THEY LEAD THOSE TOO WEAK TO WORK INTO THE GAS CHAMBERS. YES,…THEY ARE ALREADY BUILT AND IN PLACE. AT LEAST SIXTY BY LAST COUNT! GOOGLE – “OPERATION GARDEN PLOT”! THEY’LL KEEP YOU SO BUSY TRYING TO STARVE YOU TO DEATH UNTIL YOU’RE BEGGING THEM FOR FOOD ONCE THEY COLLAPSE THE ECONOMY VERY SOON NOW, LIKELY BEFORE SUMMER AND THERE IS UTTER AND COMPLETE PANIC AND VIOLENCE IN THE STREETS, RUSSIAN MERCENARIES SHOOTING AMERICANS DEAD (THEY HAVE PERFECT ACCENTS AND HAVE BEEN HERE TRAINING WITH THE US ARMY AND OTHER MILITARY FOR YEARS) IN US MILITARY UNIFORMS BECAUSE THEY’RE TRYING TO DISARM ALL OUR REAL VETS WHO’VE MADE IT HOME AND WHO WOULD NEVR SHOOT ONE OF THEIR OWN! AM I GETTING THROUGH TO ANY OF YOU AT ALL?

    THERE IS A STREAMING INTERNET PROGRAM ON THIS COMING SUNDAY EVENING, 02/03/2013 WITH TWO AWESOME AND EXTREMELY WELL EDUCATED MEN ABOUT THESE VERY EVENTS THAT WILL BECOME WHAT OUR FUTURE HOLDS IF THE LORD DOES NOT INTERVENE! GO TO “WWW.HOMELANDSECURITYUS.COM” AND LOOK FOR STEVE QUAYLE & GREG EVENSEN, LIVE AND AIRING AT 6:00PM PACIFIC -7:00PM MOUNTAIN AND 9:00PM EASTERN,..YOU’RE EYES WILL BE POPPING OUT OF YOUR HEAD FROM THE INCREDIBLE INFO YOU’LL BE HEARING. DOWNLOAD IT TO YOUR YOUR PC’S – AS YOU’LL NEVER HEAR THIS MUCH AGAIN IN A THREE HOUR SEGMENT AGAIN. IT’S ON THE HAGMANN & HAGMANN PROGRAM AND YOU’LL FIND EVERYTHING YOU’LL EVER NEED OR WANT TO KNOW ABOUT “WHAT COMETH OUR WAY”. AND GO TO “STEVEQUAYLE.COM” FOR THE REAL BREAKING NEWS 24/7. LAST CALL TO GT ON BOARD PEOPLE!

  144. Reader of Pleadings says:

    You are absolutely correct, but the point of my posting is that there is simply nothing for the Supreme Court to consider. There is no there there. You have misstated one small detail. Taitz has not request the court to take her case (she did not file a petition for certiorari), she is only asking for a stay. Takes 5 votes to be granted a stay. Her application will not be voted on at all (except as a group of denials).

  145. smrstrauss says:

    The US Supreme Court has simply put Orly’s case onto a list of forty or fifty other cases to be considered in a regular meeting to decide whether to take cases or not take cases. EVERY case that is appealed to the US Supreme Court is considered at such meetings, and it takes very few of them, rejecting 99.5% or even higher. In any case, Chief Justice Roberts is NOT going to review to case, nor will the US Supreme Court. It will simply decide whether or not to take the case, most likely not.

    Obama’s birth in Hawaii is shown by:

    (1) the birth certificate, short form and long form; (2) the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties; (3) the confirmation by the public Index data file; (4) the confirmation by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and only the DOH could send those notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii); (5) The Hawaii teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley; (6) the fact that Obama’s Kenyan relatives NEVER said that he was born in Kenya and, instead, said repeatedly that Obama was born in Hawaii, and the fact that the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya”story and found it false; (7) The fact that Hawaii is thousands of miles away from the nearest foreign country and women rarely traveled late in pregnancy in 1961. And neither Obama’s parents nor his grandparents at the time were rich enough or dumb enough to send their daughter on a long, expensive and risky trip (the rate of stillbirths was high in those days) to a foreign country late in pregnancy—-when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu.

  146. smrstrauss says:

    However, it is wrong. The court is not going to hear the case. The US Supreme Court has simply put Orly’s case onto a list of forty or fifty other cases to be considered in a regular meeting to decide whether to take cases or not take cases. EVERY case that is appealed to the US Supreme Court is considered at such meetings, and it takes very few of them, rejecting 99.5% or even higher. In any case, Chief Justice Roberts is NOT going to review to case, nor will the US Supreme Court. It will simply decide whether or not to take the case, most likely not.

    Obama’s birth in Hawaii is shown by:

    (1) the birth certificate, short form and long form; (2) the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties; (3) the confirmation by the public Index data file; (4) the confirmation by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and only the DOH could send those notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii); (5) The Hawaii teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley; (6) the fact that Obama’s Kenyan relatives NEVER said that he was born in Kenya and, instead, said repeatedly that Obama was born in Hawaii, and the fact that the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya”story and found it false; (7) The fact that Hawaii is thousands of miles away from the nearest foreign country and women rarely traveled late in pregnancy in 1961. And neither Obama’s parents nor his grandparents at the time were rich enough or dumb enough to send their daughter on a long, expensive and risky trip (the rate of stillbirths was high in those days) to a foreign country late in pregnancy—-when there were perfectly good hosp

  147. smrstrauss says:

    That should read: “neither Obama’s parents nor his grandparents at the time were rich enough or dumb enough to send their daughter on a long, expensive and risky trip (the rate of stillbirths was high in those days) to a foreign country late in pregnancy—-when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii.”

  148. Edwitness says:

    It’s a moot point anyway. Biden is in the noose too because he signed onto the statement that Obama was qualified constitutionally to be pres. Hillary and Pelosi too.If this goes through it will be quite interesting indeed! I for one hope and pray it will.

  149. Obama is doing an excellent job as president of the US Corporation to further the fake-Jewish Khazarian Zionist banksters’ agenda. The US Corporation has no rules regarding country of birth. Our last dejure government was during Lincoln’s administration. Ever since, We’ve been ruled by the corporation that now unlawfully owns the “free” world. They call it free, because they stole it from Us and covertly forced us to pay them the cost of their theft. So, since they got it for nothing, they consider it the “free” world.

    The banksters’ 2nd most popular joke:

    “It never ceases to amaze me that the invading horde of rats perpetually pays us extortionist’s rates to perpetually poison them and their world with sodium fluoride…….. which IS rat poison!”

  150. smrstrauss says:

    Interesting perhaps, but not true. The Supreme Court meeting is simply one of the regular meetings in which the court decides whether or not to take cases that are appealed to it, and it considers every case that is appealed to it—but rejects 99.5% of them.

  151. smrstrauss says:

    Obama’s birth in Hawaii is shown by:

    (1) the birth certificate, short form and long form; (2) the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties; (3) the confirmation by the public Index data file; (4) the confirmation by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and only the DOH could send those notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii); (5) The Hawaii teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley; (6) the fact that Obama’s Kenyan relatives NEVER said that he was born in Kenya and, instead, said repeatedly that Obama was born in Hawaii, and the fact that the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya”story and found it false; (7) The fact that Hawaii is thousands of miles away from the nearest foreign country and women rarely traveled late in pregnancy in 1961. And neither Obama’s parents nor his grandparents at the time were rich enough or dumb enough to send their daughter on a long, expensive and risky trip (the rate of stillbirths was high in those days) to a foreign country late in pregnancy—-when there were perfectly good hospitals in Hawaii.

  152. Canadianlady says:

    I’m reading all the comments here, which begin on the assumption that Obama will be replaced, and goes on to surmise who will replace him. Don’t hold your breath waiting for the Supreme Court to declare Obama an illegal president. It’s not going to happen. Justice Roberts, the upholder of the illegal Affordable Health Care Law, is the one who agreed to review it. So, it’s not going to go anywhere but file 13. They’ll pretend to review the evidence and wind up dismissing the case or declaring Obama to be qualified as President. That’s what I’m betting.

  153. houstonial says:

    Then why is he using a stolen social security number? Why was he detained as a Senator in 2004 with Richard Lugar in Russia? That’s because he was NOT traveling on a U.S. passport. and on and on.

  154. smrstrauss says:

    Re Social Security number. Millions of people have errors in their SS numbers. If there was any evidence that Obama was using a “Stolen” SS number, the Republicans would have been all over it before and during the presidential campaign. Re Obama not having a US passport. He does, and has shown it on the White House press site. Moreover we know that he had a US passport when he returned from Indonesia because (1) he traveled alone, so he could not have used his mother’s passport; (2) If he had traveled on any other country’s passport than a US passport, he would have had to have applied for a US visa in Jakarta, and if he had done that there would be evidence of that application, and if there had been evidence of that application the Bush Administration would surely have found it in the eight years up to January 2009—and if they had found it, they would surely have used it.

    These facts still have not been explained by birthers:

    The fact that Hawaii is thousands of miles away from the nearest foreign country and women rarely traveled late in pregnancy in 1961. And neither Obama’s parents nor his grandparents at the time were rich enough or dumb enough to send their daughter on a long, expensive and risky trip (the rate of stillbirths was high in those days) to a foreign country late in pregnancy—-when there were perfectly good hospitals in Hawaii.

    In other words, for Obama to actually have been born in a foreign country, not only must his mother have gone to a foreign country late in pregnancy, which is highly unlikely because of the high risk and enormous expense and that they were not rich by any means, but the officials in Hawaii would have to be lying. And, not only the officials, but the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers that were sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 and the teacher who wrote home. All of them would have to be lying, and the parents rich and stupid enough to send their daughter on an expensive and risky trip when there were good hospitals right at home.

    (And, BTW, Obama’s Kenyan grandmother and other relatives NEVER said that he was born in Kenya [birther sites simply claimed that she did, in fact cutting off the tape just before she was asked where he was born], and the Kenyan government said that it investigated and that Obama was not for sure born in Kenya.)

  155. smrstrauss says:

    Dream on. If there were a shred of evidence that Obama was elected fraudulently, Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan and the National Review and Ann Coulter and Gingrich and Santorum and the governors and secretaries of state of the swing states would have said something about it—or at least one of them would have said. Not one did.

  156. lhtapner says:

    We need to clean Washington out altogether. They are all out for the money and care nothing for this country. They don’t even realize they are cutting their own throats and those of their children.

  157. joebanana says:

    And the entire congress, the USDOJ, the senate, many media outlets, the judges who dismissed cases because they were complicit, the military brass who followed his illegal orders, many law enforcement agencies for dereliction of duty. Pretty much the whole criminal syndicate we call a government would be gone.

  158. Nancy says:

    And ; I suppose you still believe in ” Santa Claus ‘ , and the ‘ Easter Bunny ‘ , too ‘ ?

  159. Nancy says:

    You ‘ ; are ; an ignorant ‘ ; f o o l ” .

  160. Nancy says:

    No ; Biden ‘ , would then be ‘ prez ‘. Study ‘ , your history ‘

  161. manrock1 says:

    Why doesn’t he release the original? All we have seen are forgeries. Why would someone forge a birth certificate? All of this is of course academic, he fails to meet the natural born requirement. Perhaps you could inform us when Article 2, Sec. 1, was amended? Adopted in Indonesia, he took the name of Soetoro. Did he ever legally change his name? Why can’t we see his grades and course load? Why does he hide everything relevant to determining his identity? Why did not Congress or the media ask these questions of the junior senator from the most corrupt state in the union? And why don’t you care about any of this???

  162. smrstrauss says:

    Re: “Why doesn’t he release the original?”

    Answer. He has no power to do so. The original is held by Hawaii and its rules state that no one other than specified members of the Hawaii government may see the documents in the DOH files for the obvious reason that outsiders could steal or alter documents—and other states have exactly the same rule. Besides, it is unnecessary. The evidence of the birth certificates and the confirmation of them by the officials of BOTH parties (including the former Republican governor) and the public Index Data file and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1916 (and only the DOH could send those notices to the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the paper, and the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley—are more than sufficient evidence.

    Re: “All we have seen are forgeries…”

    You are gullible enough to believe birther “experts”–who have not shown that they are even experts, and who CERTAINLY have not shown that they are fair and impartial.

    Regarding the allegation that Obama’s birth certificate was forged. One proof that it is not forged is Obama’s short-form birth certificate.

    Short-form birth certificates are created by a clerk reading the information from the document in the file, and filling out the computer form that generates the printed short-form birth certificate. The officials in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent a short-form to Obama. So, unless they are lying—and they were Republican officials–the only way that Obama’s birth certificate could have been forged was that it was forged in 2007 and slipped into the file just before the clerk looked at the file. That is not very likely, is it, especially since at the time Obama was not even the candidate of the Democrats. He was still in the primaries at the time and he was only a junior senator from Illinois.

    And birther sites do not quote the analysts who say that there is nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate. For example:

    Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said: “The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”

    Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it. … I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”

    John Woodman, independent computer professional, said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.

    Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily: “All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.

    Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

    Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.

    Moreover, for Obama not to be a Natural Born Citizen, Obama would have had to have been born in some country other than in the USA, and that—considering how far Hawaii is from the nearest foreign country and the fact that pregnant women seldom traveled long distances late in pregnancy in 1961 AND that the officials in Hawaii and the birth certificate and the birth notices in Hawaii say that he was born in Hawaii—is not very likely at all.

    Re the false allegation that two citizen parents are required:

    “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

    http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/31/is-rubio-eligible/

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2012/02/birtherism-2012

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204619004574322281597739634.html?KEYWORDS=obama+%22natural+born+citizen%22+minor+happersett

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2009/01/the-great-mother-of-all-natural-born-citizen-quotation-pages/

    http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/scotus-natural-born-citizen-a-compendium.html

    http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/the-natural-born-citizenship-clause-updated.html

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/bookmarks/fact-checking-and-debunking/the-debunkers-guide-to-obama-conspiracy-theories/#nbc

    http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obamabirthbook.com/2012/02/an-open-letter-to-mario-apuzzo/

    http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/?p=21346

    Re Indonesia: Answer: Obama was not adopted in Indonesia, and he certainly never became a citizen of Indonesia, as a call to the Indonesian Embassy in Washington will confirm. He USED the name Soetoro, and I used an Asian name when I lived in Asia too. But he never legally changed his name, and neither did I. He never legally changed his name to Soetoro, so he did not have to change it back.

    Re: “Why can’t we see his grades and course load?”

    Answer: Did Romney show his grades and course load? How about McCain? Did Bush show it? Or Clinton (and he was a Rhodes Scholar)? Or Bush41? Or Reagan? Or Carter, Ford, Nixon, LBJ, JFK, Etc? Then why should Obama?

    Re: “Why does he hide everything relevant to determining his identity?”

    Answer: As you know, Obama has shown his birth certificate twice, the short form (in June 2008, well before the election of that year) and his long form in 2011, and the officials in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that they sent them to Obama and that the facts on them that Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961 are correct.

    Re: “Why did not Congress or the media ask these questions of the junior senator from the most corrupt state in the union?”

    Because, duh, they did not ask the question of Bush or Clinton or Reagan, etc. And because Obama showed his birth certificate, twice, and the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor) confirmed the facts on it.

  163. smrstrauss says:

    Dream on. The Supreme Court has turned down every single birther case.

  164. smrstrauss says:

    Obama is a Natural Born US Citizen and hence eligible to be president because he was born in Hawaii. The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the PLACE of birth, not to the citizenship of the parents of a US-born citizen.

    If you really think that Obama COULD have been born in another country. You could answer the following questions:

    Questions for those who continue to believe that Obama was born outside of the USA.

    I’ll bet that you know (but you may have forgotten) that the US government requires, and has long required, that a child being carried into the USA requires some kind of official travel document to be admitted. This is usually a US passport for the child. Or, it could be the fact that the child is entered on the mother’s US passport. Or, it could be a US visa for the child on a foreign passport. Without one of those, we would not let the child into the country.

    (Sure, a child could be carried across the Mexican border, but Hawaii does not have a border with Mexico, so that can be eliminated as a possiblity.)

    So, IF Obama really had been born in Kenya (or in any country other than the USA), he would have had to have one of those documents–wouldn’t he? His family would have had to show the passport, wouldn’t they? To show the passport, they would have had to have applied for the passport or the visa for Obama. And, if Obama really were born in Kenya (or another country), they would have had to have applied for it in the US consulate or embassy in that country, wouldn’t they?

    Such applications are FILED by the US government. The documents exist in multiple files, the actual application itself, communication about it with Washington, entries in the passport file, entries in the application file, entries in the places where the child is carried into the USA. The Bush Administration was in charge of the State Department and the INS for eight years before Obama was elected. Don’t you think that they would have checked the claim that he was born outside the USA?

    All they had to do was find one of those files and McCain would win the election.
    Well, they never did. There is no such file.

    So the question is, do you think that the Bush Administration was part of the plot?

    Do you think that the files, the documents, the application for the documents, the communications about the documents were all lost or hidden? Remember, they are in multiple files, the file of the passport holder, the files of applications for passports, the files in the US embassy in foreign countries, the files in the State Department and those in the INS (which would have checked in Obama at an entry point if he had actually traveled in 1961)––and yet no document has been found. Why not?

    The absence of the travel document, plus the Hawaii birth certificate, plus the confirmation of the facts on the Hawaii birth certificate by THREE Republican (and several Democrat officials in Hawii) plus the notices in the Hawaii “Health Bureau Statistics” sections of the newspapers, which were sent to the papers ONLY by the DOH of Hawaii and only for births in Hawaii. How do you explain all that?

    (The claim that the notices could have been placed by lying relatives turns out to be false because whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital, Hawaii insisted on a witness statement.)

    So, how come there is no proof that Obama received a US travel document in 1961, but there is legal and factual proof that he was born in Hawaii?

  165. smrstrauss says:

    McCain was born on a US Naval Base, which is US SOIL.

  166. smrstrauss says:

    YES, Obama’s father was a British subject. But the citizenship of a father, or of a father AND a mother, has no effect on the Natural Born status of a US-born child. So long as the parents are not foreign diplomats, if the child was born on US soil—and Obama was, in Hawaii, a US State, then you are a Natural Born US Citizen.

    “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

    http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/31/is-rubio-eligible/

    http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/scotus-natural-born-citizen-a-compendium.html

    http://tesibria.typepad.com/whats_your_evidence/the-natural-born-citizenship-clause-updated.html

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/bookmarks/fact-checking-and-debunking/the-debunkers-guide-to-obama-conspiracy-theories/#nbc

    http://www.obamabirthbook.com/http:/www.obamabirthbook.com/2012/02/an-open-letter-to-mario-apuzzo/

    http://ohforgoodnesssake.com/?p=21346

  167. smrstrauss says:

    You are right that they will do nothing, but not for the reason that you give. The reason is far more simple. They are not even hearing the case. Not even hearing it. This birther site, and other birther sites, are misleading you by giving the impression that the US Supreme Court has called the case. It has not done so. It has simply added this case, Orly’s case, to a list of forty or fifty cases that it will consider taking or not taking at the meeting on February 15—which is simply one of many meetings that it holds over the year to decide to take or not take cases, and it takes very very few of them.

  168. smrstrauss says:

    Obama was born in Hawaii, as has been shown overwhelmingly, and hence he is a Natural Born US citizen because the meaning of the term Natural Born Citizen was ruled by the US Supreme Court in the Wong Kim Ark case to refer to the place of birth, not to the citizenship of a US-born child. And Obama was elected by 65 million votes, more than 4.7 million more than Romney, 332 Electoral Votes to Romney’s 206.

  169. Kat says:

    In the past, for example, LBJ assumed the position of Presidency following the assassination of democrat JFK . He had been a legally voted in President. However, if BHO was found to be an illegally seated President his votes would also be null and void, meaning the votes that came from those who voted for democrats Obama and Biden would be null and void because the original running ticket Obama/Biden would be null and void. Because of this, I don’t think that Biden would move into the Presidential slot. It would either go to the Speakerof the House for the remaining years left or it would go to him temporarily and the country would vote again, but that would mean a process of primaries etc again and I think would take too long, so I think Boehner would be president for the interim.

  170. Kat says:

    Unfortunately Canadian lady I think you are right. Sad for us.

  171. Kat says:

    And why, sir, do you have to resort to using foul language to make your point? So, Barack H Obama was/ is your choice, he won the presidency , whether legal or otherwise. People on this site are politely debating the legality of his presidency, however you deem it necessary to use expletives and insults. Of all the political debating sites, that I visit, it is always the leftists who resort to insults and bad language, when they either cannot answer a question or do not have anything credible to say.

  172. smrstrauss says:

    Dream on. The US Supreme Court has turned down every single birther case so far.

  173. smrstrauss says:

    Obama’s birth in Hawaii is shown by considerably more than just the birth certificate. It is shown by:

    (1) the birth certificate, short form and long form; (2) the confirmation of the officials of BOTH parties; (3) the confirmation by the public Index data file; (4) the confirmation by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and only the DOH could send those notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii); (5) The Hawaii teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, after hearing of the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley; (6) the fact that Obama’s Kenyan relatives NEVER said that he was born in Kenya and, instead, said repeatedly that Obama was born in Hawaii, and the fact that the Kenyan government investigated the “born in Kenya”story and found it false; (7) The fact that Hawaii is thousands of miles away from the nearest foreign country and women rarely traveled late in pregnancy in 1961.

    And neither Obama’s parents nor his grandparents at the time were rich enough or dumb enough to send their daughter on a long, expensive and risky trip (the rate of stillbirths was high in those days) to a foreign country late in pregnancy—-when there were perfectly good hospitals in Hawaii.

    If you really think that Obama COULD have been born in another country. You could answer the following questions:

    Questions for those who continue to believe that Obama was born outside of the USA.

    I’ll bet that you know (but you may have forgotten) that the US government requires, and has long required, that a child being carried into the USA requires some kind of official travel document to be admitted. This is usually a US passport for the child. Or, it could be the fact that the child is entered on the mother’s US passport. Or, it could be a US visa for the child on a foreign passport. Without one of those, we would not let the child into the country.

    (Sure, a child could be carried across the Mexican border, but Hawaii does not have a border with Mexico, so that can be eliminated as a possiblity.)

    So, IF Obama really had been born in Kenya (or in any country other than the USA), he would have had to have one of those documents–wouldn’t he? His family would have had to show the passport, wouldn’t they? To show the passport, they would have had to have applied for the passport or the visa for Obama. And, if Obama really were born in Kenya (or another country), they would have had to have applied for it in the US consulate or embassy in that country, wouldn’t they?

    Such applications are FILED by the US government. The documents exist in multiple files, the actual application itself, communication about it with Washington, entries in the passport file, entries in the application file, entries in the places where the child is carried into the USA. The Bush Administration was in charge of the State Department and the INS for eight years before Obama was elected. Don’t you think that they would have checked the claim that he was born outside the USA?

    All they had to do was find one of those files and McCain would win the election.
    Well, they never did. There is no such file.

    So the question is, do you think that the Bush Administration was part of the plot?

    Do you think that the files, the documents, the application for the documents, the communications about the documents were all lost or hidden? Remember, they are in multiple files, the file of the passport holder, the files of applications for passports, the files in the US embassy in foreign countries, the files in the State Department and those in the INS (which would have checked in Obama at an entry point if he had actually traveled in 1961, and the entry point for Kenya would have been New York, where the INS file are NOT missing)––and yet no document has been found. Why not?

    The absence of the travel document, plus the Hawaii birth certificate, plus the confirmation of the facts on the Hawaii birth certificate by THREE Republican (and several Democrat officials in Hawii) plus the notices in the Hawaii “Health Bureau Statistics” sections of the newspapers, which were sent to the papers ONLY by the DOH of Hawaii and only for births in Hawaii. How do you explain all that?

    (The claim that the notices could have been placed by lying relatives turns out to be false because whenever there was a claim of a birth outside of a hospital, Hawaii insisted on a witness statement.)

    So, how come there is no proof that Obama received a US travel document in 1961, but there is legal and factual proof that he was born in Hawaii?

  174. Harvey Steele says:

    his name is Barry Soetoro. he was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, his mothers husband in Indonesia. I think at least that makes him a citizen of his adopting father’s country. and his 1/2 sister was born there. is she a citizen? that is a question never asked or revealed to my knowledge.
    how else except for a foreign scholarship could anyone in the family afford such expensive schools tuition, dorm, living expenses? and how did he travel to pakistan at a time when US citizens were barred form entering?
    But then again the men in black do not stand for justice.

  175. smrstrauss says:

    I am a Natural Born US Citizen. And I, like 65 million other voters, do not think it is bad at all. We certainly think that it is better than having Mitt Romney.

  176. smrstrauss says:

    Re: “if BHO was found to be an illegally seated President…”

    He will not be found to be an illegally seated President because he is a perfectly legally seated president. He was born in Hawaii, as has been shown overwhelmingly, and the meaning of Natural Born Citizen refers to the place of birth, not to the citizenship of the parents of a US-born citizen.

    If Obama were impeached for any reason whatever, Biden would become the president, and he would immediately appoint (who would have to be confirmed by the US Senate) a new vice president.

  177. smrstrauss says:

    His name is really Barack Hussein Obama II, as it says on his birth certificate because (1) he was not adopted, and (2) he did not change his name legally (Yes, he used Soetoro’s name when he was in Indonesia. I used an Asian name when I lived in Asia too, but I did not change my name legally, and I wasn’t adopted.) Obama was never a citizen of Indonesia, as a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy will confirm (ask for the press officer).

    Re: “how else except for a foreign scholarship could anyone in the family afford such expensive schools tuition, dorm, living expenses?”

    By the time that Obama went to college his grandmother was a vice president in a bank, and there are academic scholarships, you know. More importantly, no one has ever stated that Obama received a foreign student scholarship. The story that he did came from AN APRIL FOOL’S ARTICLE originally published on April 1, 2009.

    Finally: “how did he travel to pakistan at a time when US citizens were barred form entering?”

    Answer: Because, duh, US citizens were not barred from entering. One must learn not to trust the birther sites. In 1981 Pakistan was relatively peaceful and very anxious to earn dollars from tourism. It welcomed US visitors with free 30-day visas on arrival, and it encouraged them to come by such things has having an expensive office for Pakistan International Airlines, which passed out tourist brochures, on Fifth Avenue in New York City. And US newspapers in 1981 ran travel articles recommending visiting “scenic Lahore”—-which is in Pakistan.

  178. smrstrauss says:

    Notice that there has been no attempt to answer the questions? No discussion of the facts.

    Question from above: “How come there is no proof that Obama received a US travel document in 1961, but there is legal and factual proof that he was born in Hawaii?” Another question: “What makes you think that Obama’s parents or grandparents were rich enough (his grandfather was a furniture salesman and his grandmother at the time was a low-level employee at a bank, and his parents were college students) to send their daughter on a long, risky (stillbirths were high in those days) and expensive trip to a foreign country THOUSANDS of miles from Hawaii———-when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii.

  179. marebear says:

    Actually, the military can also remove the President, aside from Congress/Senate impeachment. In this case, both Obama and Biden would be removed. Pelosi, Reid, and Dean and others would be in line of fire also, along with many others – this was an orchestrated effort. In the event of a president’s/VP’s removal, the military is empowered to rule in the event of problems with succession/chaos until elections are held.

  180. smrstrauss says:

    Re “Seven Days in May” scenario (“Seven Days in May” was a 1960s movie, and its subject was a planned coup d’etat).

    It is hardly likely to happen when it is not being encouraged by John McCain, Mitt Romney, Ron Paul, Paul Ryan, Gingrich, Santorum, Ann Coulter or the National Review.

    https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1024&bih=582&q=obama+west+point&oq=obama+west+point&gs_l=img.3..0i24l6.1450.7622.0.7958.18.13.1.4.4.0.125.975.12j1.13.0…0.0…1ac.1.2.img.YQxEznAVd70#imgrc=_DocpJ7OdZwKzM%3A%3BG5A6lE2MucPUSM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fbarackphotos.com%252Ffiles%252F2009%252F12%252FPresident-Obama-Greets-West-Point-Cadets.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fbarackphotos.com%252F2009%252F12%252F02%252Fobama-pictures-west-point-afghanistan-speech%252Fpresident-obama-greets-west-point-cadets%252F%3B4096%3B2731

    https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&site=imghp&tbm=isch&source=hp&biw=1024&bih=582&q=obama+troops&oq=obama+troops&gs_l=img.3..0i24l10.43967.45021.1.45261.6.5.0.1.1.0.70.306.5.5.0…0.0…1ac.1.2.img.eNLyC26uZgA#imgrc=1FKD5Pz5cMfaiM%3A%3BMmcbRNZjgKR-5M%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fcache.boston.com%252Fresize%252Fbonzai-fba%252FGlobe_Photo%252F2009%252F04%252F07%252F1239159447_2771%252F539w.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.boston.com%252Fnews%252Fnation%252Fwashington%252Farticles%252F2009%252F04%252F08%252Ftroops_welcome_obama_in_iraq%252F%3B539%3B352

  181. FightFor FREEDOM says:

    Absolutely, agree 1000000%! The masses in America need to wake up, get off there couch, stop slurping their Starbucks and throw their gadgets away. WE all need to find the way back to Humanity! Respect, help others. Only when we all unite can we change the system. They have been brainwashing the masses for decades. Main thing is too make the world warm and fuzzy so that you’re distracted to observe what is really going on around you! However, when this cozy bubble one day pops, lots of people are going to be dumbfounded. Remember the movie “War Games”? What did the computer say at the end of the movie? Quote: “A strange game. The only winning move is not to play…” It’s time for us to stop playing, we are in the majority, IF we unite. You don’t need super intelligence to see this, it’s called COMMON SENSE!!

  182. Lisa B. says:

    This is not about naivety. I’m far from naive. I just have common sense, I am “awake”. You are holding on to a “truth” that makes no sense, is completely far-fetched-all because you so desperately want Obama out of office. The “birther” issue is ridiculous and based on racism. Every “birther” denies that to be true, however, it is weird that the first black President is also the first to face the accusation that he’s a citizen. He has been in politics for years. If any of this were true, Republicans would have had a field day with it years ago, and Obama would have never been made President. No, Karen, I’m not naive….I’m not desperate enough to believe one of the most ridiculous, far-fetched, and vindictive lies ever told.

  183. Lisa B. says:

    By the way, I’m well aware all of those other disturbing crimes take place…and eventually, they always get tracked down. These criminals are sick and are cockroaches hiding in shadows, hoping their acts never see the light of day. The fact that you would compare them to our President is implausible and disturbing. The other difference? These perverts get away with it for a short while while hiding in a cesspool somewhere, the Presidential candidates and especially the President himself is in constant spotlight, not just by the USA, but the world! I’m sick of hearing about these forged documents. Is that your specialty? Did you look at them yourself, having a degree which would allow you to spot a forgery? Probably not, which means, you don’t know, at least first hand, and should be relying on the expertise, intellect and general knowledge of people who’s job it is to do all that. Guess what? They all say he’s a citizen. That should be enough for anyone, unless of course it bothers you that a black man can be considered a citizen.

  184. TakeBack America says:

    Even if we pretend that there is no birth certificate issue, you have not addressed the illegal use of a CT social security #. IF he were a legal US citizen, he should have no trouble getting a legal SS# just like any other US citizen. How do you explain that?

  185. chillydogg says:

    What’s ridiculous is not having the SCOTUS formally declaring after a hearing based on the merits, who is a natural born Citizen. Let’s have the two sides argue the case and have them decide. Why are you Obot’s so afraid to let that happen?

  186. smrstrauss says:

    Re: “What’s ridiculous is not having the SCOTUS formally declaring after a hearing based on the merits, who is a natural born Citizen. Let’s have the two sides argue the case and have them decide. Why are you Obot’s so afraid to let that happen?”

    I am not the slightest bit afraid because the US Supreme Court has ALREADY ruled on the meaning of what a Natural Born Citizen is in the Wong Kim Ark case, and it said that the meaning comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth, not to the parents of a US-born citizen.

    The US Supreme Court decides for itself what cases it will take and what it will not take. So, whether I would like them to take the case or you would or both of us would—–has no effect on the court. It has ALREADY turned down a birther appeal of an appeals court ruling in Georgia that said that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen was defined by the Wong Kim Ark Supreme Court case and that every child born in the USA except for the children of foreign diplomats is a Natural Born Citizen.

    There can be many reasons why it rejected that appeal, but one of the most obvious of those reasons is that IT AGREES with the lower court. And Justice Scalia has already said that he agrees that the meaning of Natural Born comes from the common law and refers to jus soli, the law of the soil, the PLACE of birth. So the chance that the US Supreme Court would reverse the Wong Kim Ark decision or the rulings of the nine or ten lower courts, all of which ruled that Obama is a Natural Born Citizen due to his place of birth, in the USA (in Hawaii).

    The question you should ask yourself is, what is the law unless and until the US Supreme Court agrees to take the case and reverses itself on this meaning—which, as I said, is highly unlikely? The answer is that unless and until the court takes the case and reverses itself, the law is the Wong Kim Ark case, and the findings of the nine or ten lower level courts ALL of which said that the court ruled in that case that the meaning comes from the common law and refers to the PLACE of birth, not to the parents of a US-born citizen.

  187. smrstrauss says:

    Oh, and btw, the US Supreme Court has not called the case, as Orly claims. It has simply added Orly’s appeal to the forty or fifty cases that it will consider taking on that day, and it takes very very few appeals.

  188. Judy says:

    I wish it were true,… Obama is not American.. does not act like an American and is ruining this Country. I can’t believe all the stupid people that voted for him. I however do not believe they will do anything about it. They have had chance after chance to prove it and did nothing and they will do nothing this time either. Obama is in and he will stay there until his term is up.. if he has his way he will become dictator to America.. I hope that doesn’t happen..

  189. smrstrauss says:

    There is no birth certificate issue. The officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, including the former Republican governor, have repeatedly confirmed the facts on Obama’s BC, and that they sent it to him, and this is still further confirmed by the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii (and ONLY the DOH could send those notices to the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.) Birther experts, who have claimed that Obama’s birth certificate is forged, have done so because they are BIRTHER “experts,” willing to say whatever they think will hurt Obama. NO wonder Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan, and the National Review and Ann Coulter do not believe them.

    There is nothing illegal about having a CT SS number even if you did not apply for it in CT. And, so long as it is a valid number, not used by anyone else WHO IS ALIVE, you can keep it and use it.

    So, you ask, how did Obama get a CT SS number when he did not live in or apply in CT?

    Answer: It was caused by one of millions upon millions of data entry errors.

  190. smrstrauss says:

    Re: “Why doesn’t he release the original?”

    Answer. Because, he has no power to do so. The original is held by Hawaii, and its rules state that no one other than specified members of the Hawaii government may see the documents in the DOH files for the obvious reason that outsiders could steal or alter documents—and other states have exactly the same rule. Besides, it is unnecessary. The evidence of the birth certificates and the confirmation of them by the officials of BOTH parties (including the former Republican governor) and the public Index Data file and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1916 (and only the DOH could send those notices to the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the paper, and the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley—are more than sufficient evidence.

    Re: “All we have seen are forgeries…”

    You are gullible enough to believe birther “experts”–who have not shown that they are even experts, and who CERTAINLY have not shown that they are fair and impartial.

    Regarding the allegation that Obama’s birth certificate was forged. One proof that it is not forged is Obama’s short-form birth certificate.

    Short-form birth certificates are created by a clerk reading the information from the document in the file, and filling out the computer form that generates the printed short-form birth certificate. The officials in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent a short-form to Obama. So, unless they are lying—and they were Republican officials–the only way that Obama’s birth certificate could have been forged was that it was forged in 2007 and slipped into the file just before the clerk looked at the file. That is not very likely, is it, especially since at the time Obama was not even the candidate of the Democrats. He was still in the primaries at the time and he was only a junior senator from Illinois.

    And birther sites do not quote the analysts who say that there is nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate. For example:

    Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said: “The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”

    Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it. … I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”

    John Woodman, independent computer professional, said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.

    Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily: “All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.

    Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

    Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.

    Moreover, for Obama not to be a Natural Born Citizen, Obama would have had to have been born in some country other than in the USA, and that—considering how far Hawaii is from the nearest foreign country and the fact that pregnant women seldom traveled long distances late in pregnancy in 1961 AND that the officials in Hawaii and the birth certificate and the birth notices in Hawaii say that he was born in Hawaii—is not very likely at all.

  191. smrstrauss says:

    Re the false allegation that two citizen parents are required:

    “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

    http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/31/is-rubio-eligible/

    Re Indonesia: Answer: Obama was not adopted in Indonesia, and he certainly never became a citizen of Indonesia, as a call to the Indonesian Embassy in Washington will confirm. He USED the name Soetoro, and I used an Asian name when I lived in Asia too. But he never legally changed his name, and neither did I. He never legally changed his name to Soetoro, so he did not have to change it back.

    Re: “Why can’t we see his grades and course load?”

    Answer: Did Romney show his grades and course load? How about McCain? Did Bush show it? Or Clinton (and he was a Rhodes Scholar)? Or Bush41? Or Reagan? Or Carter, Ford, Nixon, LBJ, JFK, Etc? Then why should Obama?

    Re: “Why does he hide everything relevant to determining his identity?”

    Answer: As you know, Obama has shown his birth certificate twice, the short form (in June 2008, well before the election of that year) and his long form in 2011, and the officials in Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed that they sent them to Obama and that the facts on them that Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961 are correct.

    Re: “Why did not Congress or the media ask these questions of the junior senator from the most corrupt state in the union?”

    Because, duh, they did not ask the question of Bush or Clinton or Reagan, etc. And because Obama showed his birth certificate, twice, and the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor) confirmed the facts on it.

  192. Kent Perry says:

    Google the word SMRSTRAUSS and you will see all the reasons you should ignore another thing he or it says.

    Here are some of a few of the over 13,000 showing up in google of this organization working to defend Obama by hook or crook. They lie cheat and steal just like their boss and illegal alien Obama does. Obama MUST be removed by any means necessary including his agents on the Internet like smrstrauss

    Obot Exposed! SMRSTRAUSS: The Total Reveal & Their Tangled …
    obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/…/obot-exposed-smrst…ShareMar 13, 2010 – SMRSTRAUSS: The Total Reveal & Their Tangled Web | by EricaThunderpaws | Jefferson’s Rebels. Obama Release Your Records on 11:37 …
    You visited this page.
    Update: Obot SMRSTRAUSS’ Links Are Being Scrubbed From …
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2647878/postsDec 26, 2010 – Update: Obot SMRSTRAUSS’Links Are Being Scrubbed From Google … and noticed that SMRSTRAUSS had posted a comment to an article.
    Jefferson’s Rebels: SMRSTRAUSS: The Total Reveal & Their …
    jeffersonsrebels.blogspot.com/…/smrstrauss-total-reveal-their-t…Mar 14, 2010 – On February 11, 2010, I published Exposé: Obot SMRSTRAUSS Finally Unmasked! My article revealed the prolific commenting activities of an …
    Obama thugs, smrstrauss et al, Obama campaign, David Axelrod …
    citizenwells.wordpress.com/…/obama-thugs-smrstrauss-et-al-o…Feb 12, 2010 – And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed –if all records told the same tale–then the lie passed into history and became truth.

  193. TakeBack America says:

    The # WAS issued in CT and not to the person in question. I must say I am impressed with the depth of your knowledge on all other aspects of this discussion but not this one. And Romney didn’t produce his school records? He’s not the president. Bush didn’t? Did anyone ask him? I would guess they are not under lock and key.

  194. John Adams says:

    smrstrauss – You are a paid troll and I know it for a fact…How is your boss, fat Tracy Russo @ DOJ doing?

  195. Kent Perry says:

    Nice equivocation smsrstrauss but wong kim ark is about being a “NatualIZED citizen and not NATURAL BORN citizen. If what you are saying is true, they wouldn’t have been able to deport his daddy BUT THEY DID REMEMBER!

    If Obama is so innocent, then why does he continue to use forged documents and not just some could be mistakes BUT ALL OF THEM? Is there not ONE government agency capable enough to make a single form for this guy without having all kinds of strange anomalies. I can understand one making reference to Kenya but THIS MANY SEEM TO KEEP MAKING THE SAME MISTAKE AND ALL OF THEM USING THE SAME MISTAKEN PLACE CALLED KENYA? I mean what are the odds my delusional comrade?

    The fact I see you everywhere 24/7 posting your dogma, is a passion to protect a liar so over zealous and so not humanly possible without the aid of a staff or team to do it, tells me all I need to know about YOU, who all of you are, and what this is about and it all adds up to this. That Obama is scared and he should be and morons like those working in this smsrtrauss organization, only give us more reason and resolve to remove this scourge from office and those, like you, who are complicit in the biggest hoax in American Politics.

    People like you, make me sick and everything you have said is so incorrect and so utterly ridiculous, it is a shame I have to waste time on you telling people what you are really about .You are an enemy of the former republic and should be banned with extreme prejudice on every discussion board this topic is being talked about. You are a deceiver and a liar and THAT, is all you are. Nothing you say is true and everything you say is a damn lie.

    You know it and I know it

    and now everyone else

    knows it too

    so STFU

  196. Kent Perry says:

    You have been shown the evidence on numerous websites by so many people I have lost count. Yet you continue to lie saying THIS and THAT as if you know what you are or that evidence exists that shatters all your claims and the only hope you got is that people are too lazy to double check your alibi’s or assume you are right when you are not right, you just haven’t seen it or refuse to believe it. I would suggest anyone reading a pro obama defense post by an “smrstrauss” go to the MCSO Sheriff Arpaio’s website to take a few moments and watch the five short videos they have presented and let the people decide what is evidence of fraud or not. Frankly, anyone thinking this man is anything more than an illegal alien or those documents are anything other than a bad forgery, needs their head examined

  197. Tari Axtell says:

    hopefully we get success from this, and that the speaker of the house, will make a better president than the one we have now. i firmly believe that hes a tyrant, but i also further believe that this tyrant will not go anywhere. see you have to understand how a man with an agenda on his mind thinks. he wants to destroy this country and the best way him and his brotherhood can do it, is by maintaining his presidency. so low and behold guess whats going to happen, these supream court justices will be paid off, its how the government works havent we figure it out by now. no the way i see it is we are going to have to suck it up and continue on this downward spiral, until the next election, where hopefully people have wised up and will vote for someone capable. good luck to my fellow americans as we face yet another disregard of we the people

  198. Paul Farnham says:

    That’s what I figured. I’m not holding my breath.

  199. tari axtell says:

    i scan through these comments made by other people some american some not, and i wonder, can you really believe that we are better off with BHO? Really? i am a texan american, and i wonder how you came up with that conclusion, as for the cat that is talking about the electorial votes, ok um dude it february, not an election year and your babbling about things that are irrelevent to the post, we are talking about, impeachment NOT the election.

  200. B0 is from the LUO tribe in Africa that says he is one 1/16 black and not legally black, but a directed decedent of the Arab slave traders from the Sudan, B0 is half white and almost half Arab not black.

  201. Jenny says:

    So according to you, all the evidence against 0bama is all just coincidence….all coincidence….I scream BS at the top of my lungs. It is a proven fact that foreigners from other countries could have an ad put in the paper to announce the birth of their child and they got birth certificates issued by Hawaii AFTER THE CHILDREN WERE BORN SOMEWHERE ELSE and we all know, NO BODY EVER LIES, Right! Also, the two twins that were born a day after 0bama IN HAWAII at the same hospital 0bama was supposedly born at, who have numbers on their birth certificates before the number on 0bama’s forged birth certificate, then there is the FORGED Selective Service documents and the the icing on this usurper’s cake…his social security number belongs to someone else and there is NO record of any social security number being issued to 0bama, barry sotoero, (spelling?), or any other name he used, then there is the dust jacket off 0bama’s own book…It states he was born in Kenya and raised in Hawaii, So did he lie to sell his books to unsuspecting people or is he lying now? And let’s not forget that 0bama has spent over $2 million on legal fees to keep ALL his records sealed from not just us birther inquirers, but from you liberal low information voters/supporters. Now sorry, but I scream BS that he doesn’t have anything to hide and everyone of you that call us birthers should be asking what it is he IS hiding instead of calling us names because we want a real American to be in the white house and not a usurper and it has NOTHING to do with the color of his skin as I am a life long democrat and I was a delegate for him in our local caucus in 2008 which is on record, that is a fact. I just don’t like LIARS and he is one of the biggest one’s I have ever seen or heard in my whole life!

  202. Jenny says:

    As far as both parties confirmed it…I think you need to research the nominee documents from 2008. The DNC nominee document wording was changed by Pelosi as to not read ‘as per the constitution’. It was removed, so they would not be committing a crime when they signed it!

  203. Irate in Texas says:

    Kent – thank you for exposing another giant liar. We, the people, would like THE TRUTH. What happened to the transparency that Obama’s was favorite word during his campaign(s)? That is a total joke at this point. Everybody is getting very wise and we are checking and re-checking our facts. And speaking of LIES – Where are the Benghazi survivors? Why can they not talk to anyone or no one knows where they are? Another giant LIE and cover-up. At least in Watergate, no one was killed. I AM TOTALLY SICK OF THIS. I would sure rather trust Joe Biden who is an American than what we have now.

  204. Jenny says:

    I think you need to do some more research….the government in Kenya would lie to cover up for 0bama and in my research, it seems feasible because 0bama did send sebilius over there with a whole lot of millions of our tax dollars to the very hospital 0bama was supposedly really born at and a second one that supposedly had the records on file and she gave all those millions of our tax dollars to them under the guise of AIDS research and this was all done when his eligibility first came into question. The timing just seems a little questionable…..I’m just wondering how much of those millions of our tax dollars actually went to AIDS research and how much went to those who could blow this whole usurper’s story wide open…..?

  205. When the vice president takes the presidency following the death of a sitting president, the post of vice presdent remains vacant until the next election. Following President Kennedy’s assassination, President Johnson was without a vice president from November 22, 1963 until January 20, 1965.
    When the Vice President is removed from office by any means the President appoints a Vice President who then must be confirmed by the Senate. This has happened only twice in the history of the Republic. Gerald Ford was nominated by Richard Nixon & upon Nixon’s resignation Gerald Ford nominated Nelson Rockefeller. These are the only two men to ever serve as Vice President without having been elected & For the only President that has held both offices without being elected to either.

  206. My concern is that they may actually hear the case & rule him eligible, thus eliminating any possible criminal prosecution & keeping him qualified for Presidential pension.

  207. People often vote for the Politician that promises them what they want to be promised. Plus he is a very persuasive orator & many people were fooled. To me the Social Security number & the fake name used at Chicago Univ. are the most damning evidence. Either he was committing fraud back then or he is now.

  208. why in the world would the speaker of the house, be president or VP, first off when a president leaves his or her office before thier time is up , the VP takes over, and he or she picks the next VP. You need to read up on you history of how government works

  209. Kent Perry says:

    Quote:”Re: “Why doesn’t he release the original?”

    Answer. Because, he has no power to do so. The original is held by Hawaii, and its rules state that no one other than specified members of the Hawaii government may see the documents in the DOH files for the obvious reason that outsiders could steal or alter documents—and other states have exactly the same rule. Besides, it is unnecessary. The evidence of the birth certificates and the confirmation of them by the officials of BOTH parties (including the former Republican governor) and the public Index Data file and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1916 (and only the DOH could send those notices to the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the paper, and the teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley—are more than sufficient evidence.”
    //end quote

    Oh? Really?

    lETS TAKE THIS A STEP AT A TIME SHALL WE GOVBOT?

    1) QUOTE: ” Because, he has no power to do so.”

    ANSWER: YOU LIE FOR OBAMA!

    HE IS THE ALLEGED PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES MORON! WHY DOESN’T HE JUST DO IT BY EXECUTIVE ORDER GOING AROUND CONGRESS AND STATE OFFICIALS YA JERK. IT AIN’T LIKE HE HASN’T DONE THAT BEFORE OR THAT ALL YOU SAY HAS EVER STOPPED HIM BEFORE SO TAKE YOUR STUPID ANSWER “HE DOESN’T HAVE THE POWER TO DO SO” AND SHOVE IT, OK GOVBOT.

    2) QUOTE: “The original is held by Hawaii, and its rules state that no one other than specified members of the Hawaii government may see the documents in the DOH files for the obvious reason that outsiders could steal or alter documents”

    ANSWER: YOU LIE FOR OBAMA!

    THERE IS NOTHING ON THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT HE HAS ANY REASON TO HIDE IF THE ONE POSTED ON THE WHITE HOUSE WEBSITE IS TRUE THEN YOUR ARGUMENT FOR SOMEONE ELSE STEALING OBAMA’S ID OR CHANGING INFORMATION IS MOOT.

    3) QUOTE: Besides, it is unnecessary. The evidence of the birth certificates and the confirmation of them by the officials of BOTH parties (including the former Republican governor) and the public Index Data file and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers sent to the papers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1916

    ANSWER: YOU LIE FOR OBAMA!

    THERE IS NO WAY ANY OF WHAT YOU JUST SAID COULD HAVE HAPPENED IN 1916 FURTHERMORE THE PUBLIC NOTICES GIVEN BY THE NEWSPAPERS ARE NOT EVIDENCE OF BIRTH, IF THEY WERE, PEOPLE WOULD BE MAKING THEM TO GAIN CITIZENSHIP AND IS WHY THEY ARE NOT PROOF OF ANYTHING. THE NEWSPAPERS ARE NOT GOVERNMENT AND GOVERNMENT DOESN’T ASK FOR PROOF THAT WAY. THE RESPONSE HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE PARENTS PLANNED FOR OBAMA TO BE IN THE BIRTH ANNOUNCEMENTS JUST IN CASE HE WANTED TO BE PRESIDENT SOMEDAY. HA HA VERY FUNNY BUT NOT SO FUNNY WHEN YOU KNOW YOU ARE STUCK IN KENYA VISITING IN-LAWS AND CAN NOT TRAVEL BACK BECAUSE AIRLINES SAID THE PREGNANT STANLEY ANN DUNHAM WAS TOO FAR ALONG AND SHE WOULD HAVE TO WAIT. KNOWING HER MOTHER WORKED IN THE SOCIAL SECURITY OFFICE, SHE COULD WRITE A LETTER AS THE MOTHER ANNOUNCING THE BIRTH HAPPENED AT HOME AND SHE COULD BRING THE BABY BY LATER TO SUBSTANTIATE THE ANNOUNCEMENT.

    AS FOX NEWS REPORTED AND SHERIFF ARPAIO ALSO DISCOVERED A BACK DOOR FOREIGNERS OF INDONESIA COULD USE THROUGH LOOP HOLES IN HAWAIIAN BIRTH CERT. THIS WAS ALSO ADMITTED WAS A PROBLEM BY THE DOH IN HAWAII THEMSELVES. IN FACT SEVERAL OF OBAMA;S RELATIVES TRUE TO THEIR NATURE, WERE ALSO FOUND TO BE HERE ILLEGALLY. OBAMA’S OWN HALF SISTER’S COLB STATED SHE WAS BORN IN HAWAII WHILE SHE ADMITTED SHE WAS NOT BORN HERE BUT IN KENYA AND USED THE LOOP HOLE TO GET AMERICAN CITIZENSHIP.

    4) QUOTE:”confirmation of them by the officials of BOTH parties (including the former Republican governor)”

    YOU LIE FOR OBAMA!

    THIS ONLY CONFIRMS WHAT WE ALREADY KNEW, THAT OBAMA HAS HAD MANY IN THE DOH COVERING UP HIS BEING HERE ILLEGALLY AS NO PERMISSION WAS EVER GRANTED TO SEE THE BC. NONE OF THEM COULD GIVE A SINGLE DETAIL OTHER THAN TO SAY THEY SAW IT. SAW WHAT? WHAT DID THEY SEE? WE DON’T KNOW AND NEITHER DID THEY SO THIS CONFIRMED NOTHING. LATER GOV ABERCROMBIE ADMITTED THE DOCUMENTS COULD NOT BE FOUND WHEN HE BRAGGED ABOUT DISPELLING THIS PROBLEM ONCE AND FOR ALL. SO AGAIN, YOUR RESPONSE MEANS NOTHING, ANSWERS NOTHING AND IS NOTHING BUT LIES AND YOU ARE A LIAR AND A PAID ENDORSEMENT OF THE OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT CAMPAIGN. YOU SEEK TO DO DAMAGE CONTROL ON AN ISSUE THAT WILL NEVER DIE BECAUSE THE PEOPLE ASKING FOR THIS ARE CORRECT AND YOU KNOW IT. OBAMA IS AN ILLEGAL ALIEN AND OUR COUNTRY IS UNDER ATTACK.FROM THE INSIDE AND AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL. YOU ARE COMPLICIT IN THAT ATTACK AND IF YOU WERE WITHIN SMELLING DISTANCE, I CAN’T EVEN DESCRIBE THE CONDITION YOU WOULD FIND YOURSELF IN YOU GOD DAMNED TRAITOR, YOU SON OF A BITCH.

    BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS THE MOST HATED MAN IN AMERICA AND HE HAS THE MOST EVIL PLANS FOR OUR DEMISE, SUCCESSFULLY PUTTING AN END TO THE AMERICAN EXPERIMENT.AND BRINGING AMERICANS TO THEIR KNEES BECAUSE WE WAITED TOO LONG TO RECOGNIZE WHAT HAS BEEN HAPPENING IS NO ACCIDENT, THAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU WERE TRUSTED OR THAT OTHERS NOT AS WELL VERSED IN CLOAK AND DAGGER SUBTERFUGE, ACTUALLY BELIEVED WHAT YOU HAVE SAID IS TRUE. BUT IF IT WERE TRUE OBAMA WAS A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN THIS 1958 PHOTO OF HIS MOM

    ON THE PLANET BUT PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE THE MOST EVIL

    AS FOR YOUR SILLY STORY ABOUT A GIRL NAMED STANLEY I GIVE YOU THIS QUOTE FROM A NEWS PAPER:

    QUOTE:”Soon after Barack was born, Dunham and her new son moved to Seattle. They lived in Apartment 2 of the Villa Ria Apartments at 516 13th Avenue E on Capitol Hill, and she enrolled at the University of Washington. But their stay was fairly short — about a year — and in 1962 they returned to Hawaii. By this time the senior Barack Obama had left Hawaii to continue his education at Harvard, with eventual plans to return to his native Kenya with his family”
    http://www.historylink.org/index.cfm?DisplayPage=output.cfm&file_id=8897

    She was a sophomore in high school in a yearbook photo dated 1958.

    Anna Obama residence listed in Seattle Reverse Directory, 1961-1962
    http://www.historylink.org/db_images/Seattle_AnnaObamaResidenceReverseDirectory-1961-1962.jpg

  210. Since 1967 saw the adoption of the 25th Amendment, the vacant vice president office does not remain vacant until the next election. LBJ’s vacating the office of VP to ascend to the presidency is what ultimately got the 25th Amendment to be wrought, since in the history of the Republic, there had been over a dozen incidents of a vacated VP office, causing the nation to endure over 30 years without a vice president.

    Nixon’s first VP was also his running mate, Spiro Agnew, who resigned in October of 1973. 2 days later, based on the law of the 25th Amendment, Nixon appointed Gerald Ford to fill the vacated VP seat. When Nixon resigned, Ford moved up to president and appointed Nelson Rockefeller to be his VP.several days later. Just to clarify your last line, Ford is the only person to have held both offices while never having been elected to either.

  211. If the president AND the vice president are no longer able or allowed to perform the duties of these two offices, the Speaker is the next in line. It has been suggested that if Obama is ruled ineligible to retain the office due to felonious action that Biden knew about, that would render them both ineligible to hold their respective offices, thus clearing the way for the Speaker to ascend to the top seat.

  212. Kent Perry says:

    You are correct being a natural American citizen is a matter of natural birth. You are BORN American because BOTH your parents are. It is not a matter of municipal law but one of natures laws. It is also why it takes both parents to say that. otherwise geographic areas would have mattered and a mother having sex and getting pregnant in a foreign land would be all it takes or one illegal here dropping her baby only rates as an anchor baby but will never be President. Senator maybe but NOT president.

    When smsrtrauss copy pastes his form response to my posting this I remind everyone to google his name and see why it is best to disregard everything he says as a dis-info agent of the Obama regime. Don’t think so? Just Google it.

    you’ll see

  213. Kent Perry says:

    No he wasn’t born on the base. It doesn’t matter anyway because he was born of two Americans what else could he have been ?

  214. Will Hefler says:

    1ST POINT. . .LONG FORM, OR SHORT FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE FOR “BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA”. . .IS A FORGERY. . .BEING BORN, BY HIS OWN ADMISSION “BARRY SOETERO”. THUSLY, THE “BIRTH CERTIFICATE” IS A FRAUD AND A FORGERY.
    2ND POINT . . .THE “RACE” STATED ON THE FORGED BIRTH CERTIFICATE STATES “AFRICAN AMERICAN”. . .THIS TERM WAS NOT USED ON OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS UNTIL THE TRAITOR OBAMA WAS GRADUATED FROM HIGH SCHOOL. . .OR THE MUSLIM EQUIVALENT OF SUCH. . ..
    3RD POINT . . . .THE DATE STAMP FORMAT IS INCORRECT FOR THE TIME PERIOD TRAITOR OBAMA CLAIMS TO HAVE BEEN BORN, THAT PARTICULAR DATE FORMAT WAS NOT LEGALLY ADOPTED FOR USE ON GOVERNMENT DOCUMENTS UNTIL TRAITOR OBAMA WAS 15 YEARS OLD.
    4TH POINT. . . .TRAITOR OBAMA’S SELECTIVE SERVICE REGISTRATION IS CLEARLY A FRAUDULENT DOCUMENT. . .NOT HOLDING TO ANY RECORDED FORMAT OF SELECTIVE SERVICE REGISTRATION EVER PRODUCED BY THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT.
    5TH POINT. . . .THE FRAUD AND TRAITOR OBAMA IS ILLEGALLY IN POSSESSION OF AND ILLEGALLY USING THE SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS OF DEAD PEOPLE. . .FROM STATES TRAITOR OBAMA WAS NEVER BORN IN, NOR EVER HAS CLAIMED TO BE BORN IN. . . .THIS IS FELONY IDENTITY THGEFT, AND GROUNDS FOR CRIMINAL PROSECUTION AND IMPEACHMENT IN ITSELF.
    6TH POINT. . . .EVERY ACT OF TRAITOR OBAMA. . .HAS BEEN TO DELETERIOUS EFFECT ON THE UNITED STATES AND THE CONSTITUTION THEREOF. IN ESSENCE, “LEVYING WAR ON AMERICA”. . .TREASON AS DEFINED BY SECTION 3, ARTICLE 3 OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION.
    7TH POINT. . . .TRAITOR OBAMA HAS, ON DOZENS OF PUBLIC OCCAISSIONS. . .SUBVERTED THE CONSTITUTION, THE ATTACKS ON LIBYA, THE FINANCING OF TERRORIST ENEMIES OF AMERICA, SECURITY LEAKS RESULTING IN THE MURDERS OF AMERICANS. . .ALL ACTS OF “LEVYING WAR AGAINST AMERICA” AND “GIVING AID OR COMFORT” TO ENEMIES OF AMERICA. . . .AGAIN, B Y THE VERY DEFINITION OF SECTION 3, ARTICLE 3, UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION. . . .TREASON
    THE CATALOG OF TRAITOR OBAMA’S TREASONS ARE TOO MANY TO LIST IN THIS SHORT POSTING. . . .AS WELL AS THE TREASONS COMMITTED BY TRAITOR HARRY REID, TRAITOR JOE BIDEN, TRAITOR NANCY PELOSI, TRAITOR HILLARY CLINTON, TRAITOR JANET NAPOLITANO, TRAITOR COLLABORATOR LEON PANNETTA, AND TRAITOR COLLABORATORS OF THE “MAINSTREAM MEDIA”. . . .

  215. heartbroken patriot says:

    Strauss is a Nazi in line with the queen and the powers that be. Oly, only finally is to have her case heard because she has been filing as though this is s sovereign nation instead of a corporation, belonging to either france or England, I’m not sure. They actually own everything, we are resources. Every house or land I ever bought calls me The Tenant. I was never the owner. All of the money in our bank accounts belong to them, why do you think we all need a bank account now to cash a check. They can take what they want, leave us the crumbs. Look at your 401k. O will continue his reign and force us to put down his foreign UN troops. He will feed and clothe those who whimper, and he will TRY to kill us who stand for OLD GLORY.

  216. Thank you Will!! That was the best, most concise list of points that I have seen. Please continue to BE LOUD!! LET OUR VOICES BE HEARD. How many reasons do we need to impeach?

  217. Dr. David M. Vitko says:

    Roberts already showed which side he’s on. He is just giving us a show to quiet down the restless natives. Supreme Court is complicit in this whole scam.

  218. Tim says:

    If he is removed from office, every single law he has signed is gone. No Obamacare for example. I hope it happens

  219. Kent Perry says:

    WHEN YOU SAY SOMETHING PROVING BHO HOMO IS NOT A LEGITIMATE PRESIDENT THAT SMSTRAUSS CAN’T COUNTER WITH FACTS, HIS ANSWER IS ALWAYS THE SAME “DON’T TRUST YOUR SOURCE, YOUR WEBSITE, YOUR MEDIA” ETC,. ONLY SMSTRAUSS GETS THE REAL INFO.

    EXAMPLE:”One must learn not to trust the birther sites.”

    THEN THERE WAS THIS ARTICLE WHERE SMSTRAUSS SAYS, QUOTE:
    ” no one has ever stated that Obama received a foreign student scholarship. The story that he did came from AN APRIL FOOL’S ARTICLE originally published on April 1, 2009″

    NO THE ONE THE OBAMA PEOPLE WERE SPREADING AROUND WAS DATED THAT WAY WHILE THEY SCRUBBED THE INTERNET OF THE ORIGINAL. THEY MADE THEIR OWN RED HERRING TO DEBUNK AS “JUST ANOTHER BIRTHER CLAIM WHERE SILLY BIRTHERS THE JOKE IS ON THEM HA HA ”

    SORRY SMSTRAUSS HE IN FACT WAS A FOREIGN EXCHANGE STUDENT AND IF YOU DO SOME RESEARCH ON THE DARK WEB, THE WAYBACK MACHINE SEVERAL OTHER SOURCES YOU COULD FIND THE PROOF.

    THEN AGAIN, YOU ALREADY KNOW THAT.

  220. Kent Perry says:

    SMSTRAUSS IS IT TRUE, YOU WERE ONE OF OBAMA’S FORMER LOVERS A GAY HOMOSEXUAL ? I HEARD YOU WERE LIKE MANY HE HAD IN CHICAGO BATH HOUSES. YOU DO KNOW HE FREQUENTED THE QUEER DISTRICT IN CHICAGO DO YOU NOT? I MEAN IT’S OK IF HE IS GAY BUT ARE YOU HIS LOVER OR ONE OF HIS FORMER LOVERS ?

  221. jo says:

    Your questions are idiotic and show that you haven’t actually researched anything. His indonesian school record list his place of brth as kenya. Likewise, only indonesian citizens could enroll, so he became a citizen…which forfeited his US citizenship. So anyway you look at it, he ain’t legit. Also, it was easy for indonesians to go to pakistan.

  222. To clear up the problem of the misinformed please find a copy of the 25th Amendment below:

    U.S. Constitution
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    AMENDMENT XXV

    SECTION 1.

    In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.

    SECTION 2.

    Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.

    SECTION 3.

    Whenever the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that he is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, and until he transmits to them a written declaration to the contrary, such powers and duties shall be discharged by the Vice President as Acting President.

    SECTION 4.

    Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.

    Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.

  223. smrstrauss says:

    No. His Indonesian School record lists his place of birth as HAWAII. And the claim “likewise only Indonesian citizens could enroll” is FALSE. It is what birthers made up. It is a lie. How do we know that it is a lie? Because the Indonesian government says so, just call the Indonesian Embassy and ASK. (The idea that the birthers would suddenly know more about the Indonesian law than the Indonesian government is pretty nutty). Would the Indonesian government lie about such a law not existing? Possibly—but unlikely, since birther organizations could call an Indonesian lawyer and check (BTW, did you notice that they did not call an Indonesian lawyer???) Would birther organizations lie? Sure. They have lots of times.

    Now, while you are at it, you can ask the Indonesian government whether Obama ever became a citizen of Indonesia. And the answer is NO. (And that is what the US State Department also said in a legal filing.) So Obama was never a citizen of Indonesia.

    Yes, his school record did say that he was a citizen of Indonesia, but that is an unsigned record. We do not know who filled it in. It was probably simply a clerk who needed a quota of Indonesian citizens for the government. In any case, Obama was never an Indonesian citizen according to the two authorities on the matter (who are btw not the birther press): the Indonesian government and the US State Department.

    Re: ” Also, it was easy for indonesians to go to pakistan.”

    Answer. It was perfectly easy for US citizens to go to Pakistan in 1981 using ordinary US passports. Pakistan was eager to get tourists in that year, and it welcomed US tourists with free 30-day visas on arrival. The claim that Pakistan keep US citizens out or that Pakistan was on a US “no travel list” is another birther creation. It is false.

  224. smrstrauss says:

    Re: ” HE IN FACT WAS A FOREIGN EXCHANGE STUDENT.”

    Dream on. That comes from an April Fool’s article originally published on April 1, 2009. It also said that the group “Americans for Freedom of Information” got transcripts from Occidental and that the case had “quietly” gone to the US Supreme Court and that the article was written by the AP. Well, duh, the AP denied it, and Occidental did not release any transcripts (if they did, duh, they would be online) and the case did not go to the US Supreme Court quietly or otherwise.

    The article said: “April 1, 2009

    AP- WASHINGTON D.C. – In a move certain to fuel the debate over Obama’s qualifications for the presidency, the group “Americans for Freedom of Information” has released copies of President Obama’s college transcripts from Occidental College. Released today, the transcript indicates that Obama, under the name Barry Soetoro, received financial aid as a foreign student from Indonesia as an undergraduate at the school. The transcript was released by Occidental College in compliance with a court order in a suit brought by the group in the Superior Court of California. The transcript shows that Obama (Soetoro) applied for financial aid and was awarded a fellowship for foreign students from the Fulbright Foundation Scholarship program. To qualify, for the scholarship, a student must claim foreign citizenship. This document would seem to provide the smoking gun that many of Obama’s detractors have been seeking.”

    Well, as said, the AP said it never wrote the article. Occidental did not release transcripts. The Fulbright Scholarship goes only to graduate students, etc, etc. And there is no “Americans for Freedom of Information.”

    Obama was not a foreign student. But you can dream that he was. It must be a nice dream.

  225. smrstrauss says:

    You have every right to contact your congressman and senators and the heads of the congressional committees and ask them to impeach Obama, and they have the right to laugh at you or ignore you, or both. Did you know that conservatives wanted to impeach Eisenhower?

  226. smrstrauss says:

    The race of Obama’s father does not state “African-American.” It states simply “African.” And what is the explanation of that since in those days the common word was Negro? Answer. The explanation is very simple. Hawaii did not specify what word you had to use in order to enter your race. There was no checklist of races, and they did not tell you what you had to put down; you could use any word that you wanted. And what was the word that African exchange students normally used in the 1960s to describe their race? Answer: African. And what was the word that the colonial government of the Kenya Colony, where Obama’s father came from (and which BTW did exist at the time), use to describe the black residents of that colony? Answer Africans.

    Obama, btw, has never “admitted” that he was born Barry Soetoro, and he wasn’t. He used that name when he was in Indonesia (and he did not legally change his name to Soetoro, so it remains Obama) and he was not adopted (which requires the action of a district court in Indonesia, and no such court papers have been found) and he never became a citizen of Indonesia (just call the Indonesian Embassy in Washington and ASK). Obama’s birth certificate, confirmed by the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii, including the former Republican governor, says that he was born in Hawaii in 1961 and that his name is Barack Hussein Obama II.

    The bottom line remains is that it is not rational to believe the combination of (1) Obama’s relatives being rich enough (his grandfather was a furniture salesman at the time, and in 1961 his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank) and stupid enough to send Obama’s mother on that long, risky (the incidence of stillbirths were high in those days) and expensive trip alone—-when there were perfectly good hospitals in Hawaii; and (2) the birth certificate, and the officials of BOTH parties, and the Index Data and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home are ALL lying.

  227. Tari Axtell says:

    already did, on several occasions, and you know what i practiced my right as a registered voter, and i could care less whether or not these elected officials laugh at me, because the jokes on them they sent the petition to me. as for conservatives wanting to impeach eisenhower, who cares we are not discussing him we are discussing obama, apparently you didnt read the post before that one, that post you commented on was a reply to another post, you should go back and re read the previous post i wrote. Question, why is an obama supporter on a site that is bashing him?

  228. smrstrauss says:

    I never call names. I simply post the facts.

  229. smrstrauss says:

    You have the right to your dreams. Keep on dreaming.

  230. smrstrauss says:

    Well, good for you. It is fine that you utilize your rights. As for you not caring less, well that is good for you too. It is good for you. But it does not change the fact that your congressman and senators and the other congressmen and senators are not at all likely to impeach Obama.

    Re: ” Question, why is an obama supporter on a site that is bashing him?”

    Answer: I simply post the facts for the benefit of any rational person who might be visiting this site. Since the site has not said that only birthers may post or only their claims may appear on this site, it seems to actually be welcoming the facts, and the facts show quite obviously and overwhelmingly that Obama was in fact born in Hawaii and that the meaning of Natural Born Citizen refers to the place of birth and not to the parents of a US-born citizen.

    On Obama’s place of birth, for example, it is not rational to believe the combination of these two things: (1) Obama’s relatives being rich enough (his grandfather was a furniture salesman, and in 1961 his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank) and stupid enough to send Obama’s mother late on pregnancy on a long, risky (the incidence of stillbirths were high in those days) and expensive trip alone (Obama’s father has been proven with a FOI Act request to have remained in Hawaii throughout 1961)—-when there were perfectly good hospitals in Hawaii ; and (2) the birth certificate, and the officials of BOTH parties, and the Index Data and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers and the teacher who wrote home are ALL lying.

  231. TakeBack America says:

    As rational as believing that the CT SS# is due to a “data entry error.” Thanks, that’s still making me laugh.

  232. Tari Axtell says:

    glad to know you did your homework, and you have significant proof right, i mean we all know that its just not possible to forge documents from a computer, as i said before, go read the post that i wrote before that one, that one tells you, that i believe hes a tyrant but that i also believe that he not going anywhere, as hard as it was for me to say that i have accepted the fact that we are on a downward spiral and that everything my husband, father, uncle, cousin, nephew, and countless friends fought to maintain, will go right along with it. where in this post did you find me arquing with “facts” i just made a statement about a conclusion that we are better off with this cat and that talking about the election was irrelevent, and that the discussion on the table was impeachment, and although i am so proud of you telling me these things, why dont you tell me how we are better off with him, keep in mind i see the paycheck stubs that my husband brings home so dont say anything about lowering taxes,

  233. smrstrauss says:

    The CT SS number, like millions of other errors in the Social Security database, is the result of a data entry error. Do you have any proof that it was other than an error?

    Re: ” its just not possible to forge documents from a computer,”

    Answer: It is however possible that birther “experts” can claim that it is forged without it really being forged. They are hardly the impartial real experts that we can rely on. (One of them claims to have found the original altar of Abraham, while another, Paul Irey, has insisted that Obama did not attend Columbia College, despite Columbia University saying that in fact he attended and graduated). Birther “experts” have said such things as the BC used “kerning”—it was the normal skipping of a manual typewriter. And they said that it should not use layers, but in fact PDF uses layers; that is how it works, and how it supposed to work. Obama has BTW, shown not merely the images of his short form and long form on the Web, he has shown the actual official physical copies on security paper with the seal affixed of both of them to the press.

    One proof that it is NOT forged is Obama’s short-form birth certificate.

    Short-form birth certificates are created by a clerk reading the information from the document in the file, and filling out the computer form that generates the printed short-form birth certificate. The officials in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent a short-form to Obama. So, unless they are lying—and they were Republican officials–the only way that Obama’s birth certificate could have been forged was that it was forged in 2007 and slipped into the file just before the clerk looked at the file. That is not very likely, is it, especially since at the time Obama was not even the candidate of the Democrats. He was still in the primaries at the time and he was only a junior senator from Illinois.

    And birther sites do not quote the analysts who say that there is nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate. For example:

    Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said: “The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”

    Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it. … I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”

    John Woodman, independent computer professional, said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.

    Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily: “All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.

    Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

    Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him. That is why Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review do not believe the birther analysts.

    And the bottom line still remains. For Obama to have been born anywhere else than Hawaii both of the following would have to happen. BOTH. (1) Obama’s relatives would have to be rich enough (they weren’t not by any means) and dumb enough to send Obama’s mother on a long, risky (incidence of stillbirths was high) and expensive trip to a foreign country—-when there were perfectly good hospitals in Hawaii; and (2) the birth certificate, and the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor) and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii in 1961 (and only the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii) and the teacher who said that she wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Hawaii of a child to a woman named Stanley—would ALL have to be lying.

  234. Tari Axtell says:

    some reason i cant reply on the post you just wrote, are you trying to convince us yourself about this? and no where did i see an answer to the question i posted, are you avoiding the question because you agree with the rest of us and know that we are not better off with him, or because you have no idea how to answer the question with out using the lowered taxes ploy?

  235. smrstrauss says:

    Re: “no where did i see an answer to the question i posted, are you avoiding the question because you agree with the rest of us and know that we are not better off with him, or because you have no idea how to answer the question with out using the lowered taxes.

    If you are asking how I am better off, I am in favor of Obamacare. It is time to bring medical insurance to the 35 million who were not insured.

    But what I think about Obama, or what YOU think about Obama, has nothing to do with his place of birth. NOTHING. For Obama to have been born in a foreign country BOTH of the following would have to happen: (1) Obama’s relatives would have had to have been rich enough (and they weren’t) or stupid enough to send their daughter late in pregnancy thousands of miles at great risk (stillbirths) and enormous expense—when there were perfectly good hospitals in Hawaii, and (2) the birth certificate AND the officials of both parties in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor), and the public Index Data file and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii and the teacher who wrote home would ALL have to be lying.

  236. smrstrauss says:

    Re: ” It is a proven fact that foreigners from other countries could have an ad put in the paper to announce the birth of their child …”

    That is what Sheriff Joe CLAIMED, but he never showed any evidence of it . Do you have any? I’ll bet that you do not.

    Here are the facts. The section of the newspaper was called “Health Bureau Statistics.” The is where Obama’s birth notice appeared, and the DOH and the newspaper and the name itself all indicate that the notices in the “Health Bureau Statistics” section came only from the Health Bureau, which was the Department of Health. And at the time the Department of Health sent out those notices only for births in Hawaii.

    Re: ” And let’s not forget that 0bama has spent over $2 million on legal fees to keep ALL his records sealed…”

    More birther crap. Obama has shown his birth certificate twice and he has not spent a cent, not a cent on hiding anything. That is because, duh, there has never been a lawsuit against him for records of any kind. Not one lawsuit against him for records. There have only been lawsuits to get him off of ballots, all of which he won. Obama defended lawsuits to get him off of ballots. He did not defend lawsuits for his records. So he did not spend a cent on such lawsuits. And, more importantly, HE DOES NOT HAVE TO SHOW ANY RECORDS. There is no law that requires it, and no president has shown college records, school records, graduate school records, passport records, Etc., Etc., either, and Mitt Romney and John McCain certainly did not do so. Obama’s records are no more “sealed” that there’s are. NONE of their records are “sealed.” They are all simply private, protected under existing state and federal privacy laws.

    Re: “WHY DOESN’T HE JUST DO IT BY EXECUTIVE ORDER GOING AROUND CONGRESS AND STATE OFFICIALS YA JERK. ”

    Answer. I never call names. The statement I made, which is correct, is that he does not have the power to make Hawaii grant access to his records in the DOH files. YOU think that an executive order could force them to do so. However, you are misinformed. Executive order cannot force states or people outside of the federal government or corporations to do anything. That is because, duh, they are not laws. They are executive orders to the Federal Branch of government. So, the facts stand. Obama cannot force Hawaii to grant access to those files, and if he did—why should he? Just because you, a birther, thinks that the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii and the Index Data and the birth notices sent to the Hawaii papers in 1961 by the DOH were all lies?

    In any case, the fact that Hawaii does not open its files, for the reason that it has had rules on the matter for decades, and they are to prevent people from stealing or altering files, does not prove anything. For Obama to have been born in a foreign country, his relatives would have had to have been rich enough and stupid enough to send their daughter to a foreign country late in pregnancy at enormous expense and risk of stillbirths—when there were perfectly good hospitals in Hawaii AND the officials of both parties and the Index Data and the birth notices in the papers and the teacher who wrote home would ALL have to be lying about it.

    Well, we do know that someone has been lying, the birthers. They claimed that Obama’s Kenyan relatives said that he was born in Kenya. But the transcript shows that she said repeatedly in the taped interview that he was born IN HAWAII. They have forged “Kenyan birth certificates” and claimed that Obama had to have become an Indonesian citizen to be admitted to Pakistan in 1981, when any American citizen with a US passport could go to Pakistan in that year. There is not a shred, not a particle, of evidence that Obama was born in any other country than the USA, in Hawaii.

  237. smrstrauss says:

    That should read: “There is where Obama’s birth notice appeared…”

  238. Tari Axtell says:

    when did i ask for why YOU are better off, i asked why WE are better off, Obamacare screwed a percentage of americans, my family included. i did NOT ask for any information on where his ass was born or anything else, your using the same arqument over and over again, youve stated your “facts” on several different posts, youre beating a dead horse, what ever facts you think you have has been noted, enough is enough already, find another way to try and dissuade the rest of us because the one your using is old

  239. K says:

    if the president was to be ineligible for the position of President the election would be in turn have to be considered fraudulent, making it null and void, Biden therefore would be ineligible to become President, next all rulings and laws enacted would also become null and void, the same being with two Supreme Court justice appointments, It continues to snowball after this, The United States has never encountered such a situation and there is no pressident for how it should be handled, If he were ineligble , the election would be illegal also

  240. smrstrauss says:

    Re; ‘find another way to try and dissuade the rest of us because the one your using is old..’

    I do not post for your benefit or for other zealous birthers who are willing to ignore the facts (notice that not one single person has answered them? I have answered your question, but neither you nor anyone else answered mine). I post the facts for the benefit of any rational person who may be visiting this site and seeking the facts.

  241. smrstrauss says:

    If the president turned out to be an automobile, he would be the first car elected president. That is just as likely as his being found ineligible because, duh, he is eligible. He was born in Hawaii, as has been shown overwhelmingly, and the meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth, not to the citizenship of the parents of a US-born citizen. IF he were ineligible a lot of things would happen, but he is not ineligible. (You can DREAM that he is, though.)

  242. TakeBack America says:

    I will use the same factual argument that smrstrauss is using…no, smrstrauss is wrong and all the evidence shows that smrstrauss is wrong. Smrstrauss does not have a valid answer to our points and smrstrauss is wrong. Have a nice evening, everyone.

  243. je says:

    Oh, its a fraud, not doubt. Arpaio proved it. He had a team of forensic document professional and if you know anything OCR then you know that someone in DC cooked the document up. And the person on here who keeps pushing the BS about oh he is honest and great and wonderful needs to go watch the video and quit being a sheepel… Go back to your DC job and do what we pay you to do NOTHING………..

  244. je says:

    Facts my Butt…. You are going by what you are told by the supreme rulers… Sheepel go baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa…………

  245. smrstrauss says:

    He didn’t put it on the agenda. He simply added it to about forty or fifty other cases that the US Supreme Court will consider taking, and it usually turns down 99.5% of all cases, and it has turned down every single birther case so far.

  246. smrstrauss says:

    Don’t worry. They won’t even hear the case. The meeting on February 15 is not a hearing. It is simply an ordinary meeting of many such meetings throughout the year in which it considers which cases to take and which to reject, and it rejects 99.5% of all cases, and it has rejected all birther cases so far.

    HOWEVER, eight or nine appeals courts have already ruled that Obama is a Natural Born Citizen due to the meaning of Natural Born Citizen referring to the place of birth not the citizenship of the parents, such as these:

    Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana (Indiana 2008 – Appellate Court) ruling: “Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”

    Tisdale v. Obama (Virginia federal court 2012) ruling: “It is well settled that those born in the United States are considered natural born citizens.”

    Purpura v. Obama (New Jersey 2012) ruling: “No court, federal, state or administrative, has accepted the challengers’ position that Mr. Obama is not a “natural born Citizen” due to the acknowledged fact that his father was born in Kenya and was a British citizen by virtue of the then applicable British Nationality Act. Nor has the fact that Obama had, or may have had, dual citizenship at the time of his birth and thereafter been held to deny him the status of natural born. It is unnecessary to reinvent the wheel here. … The petitioners’ legal position on this issue, however well intentioned, has no merit in law. Thus, accepting for the point of this issue that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a ‘natural born Citizen’ regardless of the status of his father.”

    Voeltz v. Obama (Florida 2012) ruling: “However, the United States Supreme Court has concluded that ‘[e]very person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States. ‘Other courts that have considered the issue in the context of challenges to the qualifications of candidates for the office of President of the United States have come to the same conclusion. [The judge cites Hollander and Ankeny]

    Allen v. Obama (Arizona 2012) ruling: “Most importantly, Arizona courts are bound by United States Supreme Court precedent in construing the United States Constitution, Arizona v. Jay J. Garfield Bldg. Co. , 39 Ariz. 45, 54, 3 P.2d 983, 986(1931), and this precedent fully supports that President Obama is a natural born citizen under the Constitution and thus qualified to hold the office of President. … Contrary to Plaintiff’s assertion, Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162 (1874), does not hold otherwise”

  247. Chris smith says:

    In the words of Dick Chaney , ” So!” Tell me does that work for the left like it works for the right. If one truly wants a civil war just play this out . Even if you are right you are not going to convince anyone but those rooting for your agenda . I just don’t know what you are all thinking,would you risk putting your children in an environment like Egypt has now.thats what’s going to happen if you try to oust this president. Just saying,are you ready. If in fact these docs are not legit think about the powers that got them to be how they are. The worst bully you ever met can’t hold a candle to who you are messing with. Don’t you think that this subject has been mulled over to the people that could do something about it already? They either haven’t found anything or they won’t find anything . Best to try to be this role model we want ourselves and lead by example and show what good leadership is by the way we live our lives. By the way. this is only the way I see it and opinions are many,just remember to be careful what you wish for

  248. Terry Moss says:

    My only question is : Will the Supreme Court take FOUR YEARS to review and hand down a decesion??? All of this is well and good if something is DONE in a Timely Manner………..

  249. dejezzzsdee says:

    seems smrstrauss is typical of all obamamie believers. say it enough, it is true. truth is truth and needs not to be said but once.

  250. Reader of Pleadings says:

    smrstaruss: Most of the things you write is spot on. There is one point though you should add. It is impossible for a child to give up his citizenship in the USA (while he is a minor) and there is nothing that his parents can do that would cause their child to loose his citizenship.

  251. smrstrauss says:

    Re: “It is impossible for a child to give up his citizenship in the USA (while he is a minor) and there is nothing that his parents can do that would cause their child to loose his citizenship.”

    Answer: That is absolutely true. But we can go further than this, and should. There is NO evidence that Obama’s relatives even tried to give up Obama’s citizenship. In any case, they certainly did not make him a citizen of Indonesia, as the Indonesian Embassy makes clear.

  252. smrstrauss says:

    The answer to your question is that the US Supreme Court is not even considering the matter at all. It has only put Orly’s case onto a list of forty or fifty cases that it is considering taking, and it usually turns down 99.5% of cases, and it has turned down every single birther case so far.

  253. smrstrauss says:

    TakeBackAmerica claims that the evidence shows that I am wrong. So, I will post some of the evidence.

    I’ll bet that no birther site has ever shown you this:

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiolani-confirms/

  254. smrstrauss says:

    And here are the birth notices of Obama’s birth in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961.

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php

    (And as you can see the section of the paper is called “Health Bureau Statistics”. Well, as the name indicates, and as both the papers and the DOH confirm, ONLY the DOH could send notices to that section of the paper, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii.)

  255. smrstrauss says:

    You are actually referring to birther believes. I cite the facts. I have posted the links to SOME of the articles proving that Obama was born in Hawaii above. The officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii (including the former Republican governor, a friend of Sarah Palin’s) have repeatedly confirmed that there is a Hawaii birth certificate for Obama, and that they sent the short-form and long-form official copies of it to him, and that the facts on the birth certificate that he has shown are accurate. And this is further confirmed by the public Index Data file and by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers by the DOH of Hawaii (and only the DOH could send birth notices to the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the papers, and it only did so for births in Hawaii).

    If you still really think that Obama COULD have been born in another country. You could answer the following questions:

    I’ll bet that you know (but you may have forgotten) that the US government requires, and has long required, that a child being carried into the USA requires some kind of official travel document to be admitted. This is usually a US passport for the child. Or, it could be the fact that the child is entered on the mother’s US passport. Or, it could be a US visa for the child on a foreign passport. Without one of those, we would not let the child into the country.

    (Sure, a child could be carried across the Mexican border, but Hawaii does not have a border with Mexico, so that can be eliminated as a possiblity.)

    So, IF Obama really had been born in Kenya (or in any country other than the USA), he would have had to have one of those documents–wouldn’t he? His family would have had to show the passport, wouldn’t they? To show the passport, they would have had to have applied for the passport or the visa for Obama. And, if Obama really were born in Kenya (or another country), they would have had to have applied for it in the US consulate or embassy in that country, wouldn’t they?

    Such applications are FILED by the US government. The documents exist in multiple files, the actual application itself, communication about it with Washington, entries in the passport file, entries in the application file, entries in the places where the child is carried into the USA. The Bush Administration was in charge of the State Department and the INS for eight years before Obama was elected. Don’t you think that they would have checked the claim that he was born outside the USA?

    All they had to do was find one of those files and McCain would win the election.
    Well, they never did. There is no such file.

    So the question is, do you think that the Bush Administration was part of the plot?

    Do you think that the files, the documents, the application for the documents, the communications about the documents were all lost or hidden? Remember, they are in multiple files, the file of the passport holder, the files of applications for passports, the files in the US embassy in foreign countries, the files in the State Department and those in the INS (which would have checked in Obama at an entry point if he had actually traveled in 1961)––and yet no document has been found. Why not?

    The absence of the travel document, plus the Hawaii birth certificate, plus the confirmation of the facts on the Hawaii birth certificate by THREE Republican (including the former Republican governor, and also several Democrat) officials in Hawaii, plus the notices in the Hawaii “Health Bureau Statistics” sections of the newspapers–which were sent to the papers ONLY by the DOH of Hawaii and only for births in Hawaii. How do you explain all that? And, why would Obama’s grandparents, who were not rich by any means (he was a furniture salesman and she was at the time a low-level employee in a bank) send their daughter on a long, expensive and highly risky (the rate of stillbirths was high in those days) trip to a foreign country when she was late in pregnancy—-when there are perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii?

  256. smrstrauss says:

    McCain was born ON the military base, as he SAID in his book. The “birth certificate” that is online that claims that he was born in the hospital in Colon, Panama, is a forgery put online by one of McCain’s enemies. McCain was born at the naval base, US soil—which is sufficient. Obama also was born on US soil, a state, Hawaii, and that is also sufficient. No, the citizenship of one or even two parents has no effect on the Natural Born Citizen status of a US-born child.

    “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

  257. smrstrauss says:

    Sure, but McCain’s birth on a US naval base, US territory, is sufficient by itself. Obama’s birth on US territory, Hawaii (as has been shown overwhelmingly by the birth certificate, the confirmation of officials of both parties, the Index Data, the birth notices, Etc.) is also sufficient. The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law, which refers to the place of birth. It does NOT refer to the citizenship of the parents of a US-born citizen.

  258. David Farrar says:

    Irrelevant. This is nothing but trying to prove a negative. I want to prove a positive, something that should take far, far less judicial notice to accomplish.

    On what impeachment prima face evidence; do you say?

    On the prima facie of his employed, professional literary agent, stating that Obama was born in Kenya.

    Now it is true, there may be a thousand reasons why this happened, with none of them being because Barack Obama Jr., was actually born in Kenya. But it is prima facie impeachment evidence and it should be enough to grant full “Discovery” of the record first, before establishing the need for sworn testimony. If, after a complete examination of the record, if any testimony is needed by any of the parties, they can make the appropriate motion for consideration before the court.

    ex animo
    davidfarrar

  259. smrstrauss says:

    And if my literary agent said that I had three legs would that prove anything or have any legal standing at all? No it would not. Only if you had evidence that Obama was born in Kenya would it have any legal effect, and as you say NONE of the reasons was that Obama was actually born in Kenya. He was not born in Kenya. The “born in Kenya” story is one of the nuttiest of the birther myths. Only 21 people came to the USA from Kenya in 1961, and the Kenyan government said that it investigated the “born in Kenya” story, and that Obama was certainly not born there.

    What accounts for the professional publicist saying that he was born in Kenya? A seven letter word; MISTAKE. Obama’s father’s name was Barack Hussein Obama I, and that Barack Hussein Obama was really and truly born in Kenya. His son, Barack Hussein Obama II, was born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time.

    The fact that Obama’s publicist mixed up father and son does not change the fact that there (1) IS a birth certificate for Obama showing that he was born in Kapilolani Hospital in Hawaii, and that the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii have confirmed that fact (including the former Republican governor, a friend of Sarah Palin’s) and it is confirmed by the public Index Data file and by the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii (and only the DOH could send birth notices to the “Health Bureau Statistics” section of the papers, and it only did so for births IN Hawaii).

    Unless you can convince members of congress to believe that (1) Obama’s family were rich enough (the grandfather was a furniture salesman and the grandmother a low-level employee in a bank in 1961) and nutty enough to take the enormous risk of stillbirth and the huge expense of sending their daughter late in pregnancy to Kenya—when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu; and (2) the birth certificate and the confirmations by the officials of both parties in Hawaii are lies; and (3) the government of Kenya is lying when it says that Obama was not born there—then you will not get members of Congress to begin impeachment proceedings due to the possibility that he was born in Kenya.

    Because of other things, perhaps, but not Kenya. Kenya is nutty, no matter what the publicist wrote. No matter that the error was not fixed for years; it is still nutty.

  260. TakeBack America says:

    Wrong. What smrstrauss claims to be evidence is all been proven to be fraudulent and fake. Next they will produce a copy of the keystroke log showing the “data entry” error on the CT SS#. smrsrtrauss is wrong.

  261. smrstrauss says:

    TakeBackAmerica claims that my evidence “has all been proven to be fraudulent and fake.” So, I will post some of the evidence.

    I’ll bet that no birther site has ever shown you this:

    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2011/04/kapiolani-confirms/

  262. smrstrauss says:

    Concerning the social security number:

    It is not possible to show that Obama’s number or multiple numbers specifically was caused by data entry errors. On the other hand, it is not possible to prove that they were created by sealing the numbers or forging them.

    What we know is that (1) neither the Republican candidates for president or any member of Congress has raised the issue, so obviously they do not think that they can prove that there is anything wrong; and (2) there are MILLIONS upon millions of errors in Social Security numbers and millions of files with multiple SS numbers, and that the main cause was data entry errors:

    http://www.securityworldnews.com/2010/08/12/20-million-americans-have-multiple-social-security-numbers-associated-with-their-name/

  263. TakeBack America says:

    Nope. All fake and fraudulent. Cannot wait for them to march a hospital operator into court to say “Yep, he was born here” and then the DJ to say “oh, yeah, it was just our producer in the next room.” Maybe they can appear the same day as the data entry clerk from the SSA who made the “data entry error.” I will let Zanies know you have a good few minutes of material ready.

  264. smrstrauss says:

    TakeBack America also seems to claim that my evidence about Obama not being born in Kenya is “fraudulent and fake” too.

    Well, here are the words of the Kenyan official:

    http://washingtonindependent.com/53654/forged

  265. smrstrauss says:

    Re: “Nope. All fake and fraudulent. ”

    I do not post for your benefit but for any rational person who may be visiting this site and seeking the facts. I have posted links to the facts. And, let me add, Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, Bill O’Reilly and the National Review have all called birthers crazy.

    One reason is because it is totally nutty to believe that despite the birth certificate and the confirmation of the officials of both parties that he was born in Hawaii, and the statement of the Kenyan government that he was NOT born in Kenya, that Obama’s grandparents (who were not rich by any means) spent a lot of money and exposed their daughter to the risk of stillbirth by sending her to Kenya (or any other country)—-when there are perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii.

  266. TakeBack America says:

    They have called a lot of people crazy that are not. That does not make the birthers wrong. Your evidence does not stand up. You are wrong.

  267. David Farrar says:

    But there is no evidence Obama was born at Kapilolani Hospital in Hawaii other than his birth certificate. And I have ‘prima facie’ impeachment evidence that says he was born in Kenya. In fact, Obama’s birth certificates have no probative value whatsoever. In fact there is no independent, corroborating evidence that would substantiated any information on Obama’s birth certificate. This fact alone in ordinary circumstances would demand an examination of Obama’s natal records. Why rely of testimony when the record can speak for itself, is the legal theory.

    Let’s hear what Obama’s records have to tell us before we hear from the testimony. After all, you are telling us he is speaking the truth and all we want to do is substantiated it. All we want to do is prove a positive.

    ex animo
    davidfarrar

  268. smrstrauss says:

    Re: “But there is no evidence Obama was born at Kapilolani Hospital in Hawaii other than his birth certificate.”

    And his birth certificate is a legal document and sufficient. But, it is not the only evidence at all. There is also (1) the birth notices sent to the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 by the DOH of Hawaii (and only the DOH could send the notices to that section of the papers) and (2) the Hawaii teacher who wrote home to her father, named Stanley, about the birth in Kapiolani Hospital of a child to a woman named Stanley.

    Re: ” And I have ‘prima facie’ impeachment evidence that says he was born in Kenya. ” Which you don’t believe, and the Kenyan government says is false. The fact that a publicity blurb said something is never proof of anything, and it is even less proof when the writer of the blurb admits the mistake and when we know that it was easy to make the mistake because Obama’s father and he have the same name.

    HOWEVER, despite the fact that your theory is completely nutty, you have the right to contact congressmen and senators and try to convince them that the mistaken publicity blurb proves something–I don’t know what, but something.

    Re there not being “independent corroborating evidence.” There wasn’t any for Mitt Romney was there–just his birth certificate. In contrast, Obama has the birth certificate, and the confirmations by the officials, and the Index Data, and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 and the teacher who wrote home. Also, the fact that it is nutty to believe that his parents and grandparents were rich enough (and they weren’t. His grandfather was a furniture salesman and his grandmother a low-level employee in a bank at the time) to send their daughter on a trip to a foreign country despite the risk of stillbirth—-when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu, Hawaii.

  269. gary alexander says:

    Ok but doesnt that make the election fraudulent? there for biden should go bye bye as well

  270. Brian says:

    He was once a citizen of Indonesia. Where is the proof he regained US citizenship?

  271. Brian says:

    Here’s a question for you: Where is the evidence Obama gave up his Indonesian citizenship for US citizenship?

  272. Brian says:

    The more of this drivel you post the more I am convinced you are a paid employee of Organizing for Action (formerly Organizing for America).

  273. Brian says:

    Do you know that it was Hillary’s crew that started the birther talk?

  274. M.L. Hagan says:

    Omg! I have never seen anything like the likes of it…Sheer bigotry and racism…..myths everywhere and no factual evidence from any of the folks who are anti Obama! Unbelievable drizzle and cannot believe that I have spent the last hour reading through all the “supposed” facts and evidence. Wake up folks and stop making a laughing stock of yourselves!

  275. Mike says:

    Obama claims in ‘Dreams from my Father’, to have been born a British citizen. Thw world is laughing at us.

  276. David Farrar says:

    smrstrauss says:

    You are correct, the newspaper notices all came from one source: the Hawaiian Health Department. When I say Obama’s birth certificates have no probative value, I mean there is no independent evidence other than is Hawaiian Health Department records that would substantiate these records. The friend letter simply means she read the newspaper article as well. And, in any case, she doesn’t say she actually witnessed the birth.

    Once again, there is no independent evidence supporting Obama birth certificate claims, besides which I have impeachment prima facie to Obama’s prima facie, which would, in ordinary times, call for an examination of the record, which is the best source for the truth in this case; wouldn’t you agree?

    ex animo
    davidfarrar

  277. David Farrar says:

    Only because Obama is blocking that evidence. The records from Obama natal hospital should clear this matter up in 15 minutes, if Obama was born there. But so far Obama has been unwilling to provide access to these records. Without access to these ‘predicatory’ documents, and lacking any other independent evidence, Obama’s Hawaiian birth certificate are meaningless.

    ex animo
    davidfarrar

  278. drljr says:

    If you take the time to read everything you will realize the District Court and Appeals Court fabricated facts and the 3rd Circuit violated Title 28 Section 455.

  279. drljr says:

    In reading some of the comments the lack of knowledge and apparent misinformation is appalling. A natural born citizen is a person born in the country of parents who are citizens. Mr Obama’s father precludes him from being President. He, as a minor, at one time held citizenship of 4 countries – Indonesia being one. At age 21 he lost all but the US citizenship. People should reference the Eng (1939) case about minors and citizenship. Miss Eng was also determined to be a natural born citizen – born in the country of parents who were citizens at the time of her birth. Mr Obama is not and never has been President under the US Constitution since he is not a natural born citizen nor was a citizen at the time the US Constitution was adopted.

    People have been confusing native born and natural born for years. The meaning of natural born has been referenced for years. Start with the Venus (1824) case. Citing British common law, which is not the common law of the Federal Government, is disingenuous. Three types of citizenship exist in the US – natural born (place, mother and father), native (place, mother or father but not all three) and naturalized (not born with citizenship). And people need to understand that Amendment 14 does not give citizenship to children born to diplomats, visitors, illegal aliens, migrant or guest workers (including H1B folks). There is a conditional clause in Amendment 14 – “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof”. People should read the Elk (1875) and Ark (1898) rulings to get an understanding of Amendment 14 citizenship.

    Be aware that Justia.com was caught altering the text of Supreme Court rulings and the organization helping them was also supplying files to Cornell Law Library as well. The intent, based upon what people found to be altered, appears to have been to hide a long list of Supreme Court rulings discussing what “natural born” means.

  280. smrstrauss says:

    If you think that because his father was not a US citizen that affects his Natural Born Citizen status, you are wrong. The meaning comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth.

    “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

  281. smrstrauss says:

    First, a birth certificate is by itself sufficient. It is a legal document. In fact, it is the common legal document used for proving birth in the USA. NO evidence is required in addition to it. For you to show that it is wrong requires you to show that there is evidence that Obama was born somewhere else. The claim that the image of Obama’s birth certificate is forged will not cut it.

    Re: “The friend letter simply means she read the newspaper article as well.”

    I suggest you read the article about the teacher again. She said that she was TOLD about the birth by a doctor, and gives the name of the doctor (and he really did work at Kapiolani Hospital), not that she read an article about it (do you claim that she was lying?)

    It is absolutely true that the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers in 1961 only show that a birth certificate for Obama was issued by Hawaii in 1961. The existence of a Hawaii birth certificate is sufficient, as I said. Moreover, since in 1961 the DOH of Hawaii could not issue birth certificates to people outside of Hawaii, the fact that it was issued in 1961 is more than sufficient. And, unless the officials in Hawaii are lying now, Obama’s birth was in Kapiolani Hospital and a doctor who was practicing at the hospital signed the BC. They have said that the facts on Obama’s published BC are EXACTLY the same, that they “match” the facts on the document in the files, so unless they are lying, Obama was born in Kapiolani Hospital.

    There is, of course, absolutely no evidence that Obama was born anywhere else than Hawaii, and there would have to be, if he were, because a child requires a travel document (such as being added to his mother’s US passport IN that foreign country after birth) to be carried into the USA, and no such document has been found.

    And the idea that Obama’s mother went to a foreign country late in pregnancy in 1961, despite the huge expense and risk of stillbirth, when there were perfectly good hospitals in Honolulu—-is pretty nutty too.

  282. smrstrauss says:

    Sorry, but you are wrong. The meaning of Natural Born Citizen comes from the common law and refers to the place of birth, and that was the ruling of the US Supreme Court in the Wong Kim Ark case (six justices to two, one not voting).

    “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

    As the Wall Street Journal put it: “Some birthers imagine that there is a difference between being a “citizen by birth” or a “native citizen” on the one hand and a “natural born” citizen on the other. “Eccentric” is too kind a word for this notion, which is either daft or dishonest. All three terms are identical in meaning.”

    Hollander v. McCain (New Hampshire 2008) ruling: “Those born “in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” U.S. Const., amend. XIV, have been considered American citizens under American law in effect since the time of the founding, United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 674-75 (1898), and thus eligible for the presidency,

    Ankeny v. Governor of Indiana (Indiana 2008 – Appellate Court) ruling: “Based upon the language of Article II, Section 1, Clause 4 and the guidance provided by Wong Kim Ark, we conclude that persons born within the borders of the United States are “natural born Citizens” for Article II, Section 1 purposes, regardless of the citizenship of their parents.”

    Tisdale v. Obama (Virginia federal court 2012) ruling: “It is well settled that those born in the United States are considered natural born citizens.”

    Purpura v. Obama (New Jersey 2012) ruling: “No court, federal, state or administrative, has accepted the challengers’ position that Mr. Obama is not a “natural born Citizen” due to the acknowledged fact that his father was born in Kenya and was a British citizen by virtue of the then applicable British Nationality Act. Nor has the fact that Obama had, or may have had, dual citizenship at the time of his birth and thereafter been held to deny him the status of natural born. It is unnecessary to reinvent the wheel here. … The petitioners’ legal position on this issue, however well intentioned, has no merit in law. Thus, accepting for the point of this issue that Mr. Obama was born in Hawaii, he is a ‘natural born Citizen’ regardless of the status of his father.”

    Voeltz v. Obama (Florida 2012) ruling: “However, the United States Supreme Court has concluded that ‘[e]very person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States. ‘Other courts that have considered the issue in the context of challenges to the qualifications of candidates for the office of President of the United States have come to the same conclusion.”

    Other cases:.

    Mustata v. US Dept. of Justice, 179 F.3d 1017 (6th Cir. 1999) (children born in US to two Romanian citizens described as “natural born citizens” of the US):

    “Petitioners Marian and Lenuta Mustata are citizens of Romania. At the time of their petition, they resided in Michigan with their two minor children, who are natural born citizens of the United States.”

    Diaz-Salazar v. INS, 700 F.2d 1156 (7th Cir. 1983) (child born in US to Mexican citizen is “natural born citizen” of US):

    “Petitioner, Sebastian Diaz-Salazar, entered the United States illegally [from Mexico] in 1974 and has been living and working in Chicago since that time. *** The relevant facts which have been placed before the INS, BIA, and this court can be summarized as follows: The petitioner has a wife and two children under the age of three in Chicago; the children are natural-born citizens of the United States.”

    Nwankpa v. Kissinger, 376 F. Supp. 122 (M.D. Ala. 1974) (child born in US to two Biafra citizens described as “natural born citizen” of the US):

    “The Plaintiff was a native of Biafra, now a part of the Republic of Nigeria. His wife and two older children are also natives of that country, but his third child, a daughter, is a natural-born citizen of the United States.”

    What makes the third child different from her siblings? Only one thing. She was born in the USA. Notice that the court states that not only is she a citizen, but she is a Natural Born US citizen.

  283. drljr says:

    Except you are ignoring the facts and historical information. The lower courts have been ignoring the rulings of the Supreme Court and the actual definition of the terms. As I point out natural born and native born have been being mixed up since the Progressive got into power. A natural born citizen is a person born in the country of parents who are citizens. And the Courts have been ignoring what Amendment 14 actually means as well. You cite lower court rulings ignoring the Supreme Court rulings which state the opposite.

  284. TakeBack America says:

    Once again, smrstrauss is wrong. The birth certificate is a fake and BO is not a natrual born citizen. Just another “data entry error”.

  285. Buddyboy says:

    Why all the fus! Who cares. A bunch of idiots put the fool in chief back in for four years. Shame on all of you!

  286. smrstrauss says:

    Obama was NEVER a citizen of Indonesia, as a telephone call to the Indonesian Embassy will confirm. And the idea that nine different state and federal courts “fabricated facts” and were prejudiced against the plaintiffs or for the defendant is pretty nutty.

    More importantly, the key US Supreme Court decision on the matter, the Wong Kim Ark case, was from about 100 years before Obama, and it says:

    “It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.

    III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established.” (That was written in 1898.)

    That says that every child born in the USA is Natural Born, and here is a decision from a court about 50 years before that:

    “”The defendant, Julia Lynch, was born in the City of New York in 1819, of alien parents, during their temporary sojourn in that city. She re-turned with them the same year, to their native country, and always resided there afterwards. It was held that she was a citizen of the United States.”

    “It is an indispensable proposition, that by the rule of common law of England, if applied to these facts, Julia Lynch was a natural born citizen of the United States. And this rule was established and inflexible in the common law, long anterior to the first settlement of the United States and, indeed, before the discovery of America by Columbus. By the common law, all persons born within the ligeance of the crown of England, were natural born subject, without reference to the status or condition of their parents. So if a Frenchman and his wife, came to England, and had a son during their stay, he was a liege man. This was settled law in the time of Littleton, who died in 1492. And its uniformity through the intervening centuries may be seen by reference to the authorities, which I will cite without further comment…” (Lynch v. Clarke, 3 N.Y.Leg.Obs. 236, 1 Sand. Ch. 583 (1844).

  287. smrstrauss says:

    Re: “As I point out natural born and native born have been being mixed up since the Progressive got into power. A natural born citizen is a person born in the country of parents who are citizens. ”

    These are the words of the key ruling of the US Supreme Court, the Wong Kim Ark case, which was in 1898, before the progressives.

    “It thus clearly appears that, by the law of England for the last three centuries, beginning before the settlement of this country and continuing to the present day, aliens, while residing in the dominions possessed by the Crown of England, were within the allegiance, the obedience, the faith or loyalty, the protection, the power, the jurisdiction of the English Sovereign, and therefore every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign State or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.

    III. The same rule was in force in all the English Colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the Constitution as originally established.”

    That says that every child born in the USA is a Natural Born Citizen.

    And here is a ruling from about 50 years before that, well before the progressives:

    “The defendant, Julia Lynch, was born in the City of New York in 1819, of alien parents, during their temporary sojourn in that city. She re-turned with them the same year, to their native country, and always resided there afterwards. It was held that she was a citizen of the United States.” [NYLO at 238.]

    It is an indispensable proposition, that by the rule of common law of England, if applied to these facts, Julia Lynch was a natural born citizen of the United States. And this rule was established and inflexible in the common law, long anterior to the first settlement of the United States and, indeed, before the discovery of America by Columbus. By the common law, all persons born within the ligeance of the crown of England, were natural born subject, without reference to the status or condition of their parents. So if a Frenchman and his wife, came to England, and had a son during their stay, he was a liege man. This was settled law in the time of Littleton, who died in 1492. And its uniformity through the intervening centuries may be seen by reference to the authorities, which I will cite without further comment…” Lynch v. Clarke, 3 N.Y.Leg.Obs. 236, 1 Sand. Ch. 583 (1844).

    And, Edwin Meese, Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, is not a progressive. He is a conservative:

    “Under the longstanding English common-law principle of jus soli, persons born within the territory of the sovereign (other than children of enemy aliens or foreign diplomats) are citizens from birth. Thus, those persons born within the United States are “natural born citizens” and eligible to be President. Much less certain, however, is whether children born abroad of United States citizens are “natural born citizens” eligible to serve as President …”—- Edwin Meese, et al, THE HERITAGE GUIDE TO THE CONSTITUTION (2005) [Edwin Meese was Ronald Reagan’s attorney general, and the Heritage Foundation is a well-known Conservative organization.]

    Former Senator Fred Thompson is not a progressive. He is a conservative:

    http://www.fredthompsonsamerica.com/2012/07/31/is-rubio-eligible/

    Senator Hatch is not a progressive. He is a conservative:

    “What is a natural born citizen? Clearly, someone born within the United States or one of its territories is a natural born citizen.” (Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on OCTOBER 5, 2004)–Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT).

  288. smrstrauss says:

    Birther “experts” have claimed that Obama’s birth certificate is a fake, but only birthers believe them. Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck, Bill O’Reilly and the National Review do not believe them, nor does Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan and John McCain.

    For Obama to have been born anywhere else than in Hawaii two things would have to have happened: First, his parents and grandparents would have had to have been rich enough (and his grandfather was a furniture salesman at the time and his grandmother was a low-level employee in a bank in 1961) and dumb enough to send their daughter on a long, risky (the incidence of stillbirths was high) trip to a foreign country—-when there were good hospitals in Hawaii; and (2) Both the Hawaii birth certificate and the officials of BOTH parties in Hawaii (and also the index data and the birth notices in the Hawaii newspapers) would have to be lying about Obama’s being born in Hawaii.

  289. smrstrauss says:

    Gee, that makes the 65 million of us who voted for Obama feel so bad. By the way, we simply thought that he was less of a fool than Mitt Romney. Sure, you and some others disagree, but you lost. Obama will be delivering the State of the Union Address on February 12.

  290. TakeBack America says:

    Nope. Smrstrauss is wrong on every point AND the birth certificate is a fake.

  291. smrstrauss says:

    Only birther “experts” have claimed that there is anything wrong with Obama’s birth certificate. Neither the fact that they are really experts nor their objectivity has been shown. They are zealous birter “experts,” whose motive is to attack Obama. Well, it’s not working. Ann Coulter, Glenn Beck and the National Review (and Mitt Romney, Paul Ryan and Gingrich and Santorum) do not believe the birther “experts.”

    One proof that that Obama’s birth certificate is not forged is Obama’s short-form birth certificate. which Obama published in June 2008, at least five months before the election of that year.

    Short-form birth certificates are created by a clerk reading the information from the document in the file, and filling out the computer form that generates the printed short-form birth certificate. The officials in Hawaii have confirmed that they sent a short-form to Obama. So, unless they are lying—and they were Republican officials–the only way that Obama’s birth certificate could have been forged was that it was forged in 2007 and slipped into the file just before the clerk looked at the file. That is not very likely, is it, especially since at the time Obama was not even the candidate of the Democrats. He was still in the primaries at the time and he was only a junior senator from Illinois.

    And birther sites do not quote the analysts who say that there is nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate. For example:

    Dr. Neil Krawetz, an imaging software analysis author and experienced examiner of questioned images, said: “The PDF released by the White House shows no sign of digital manipulation or alterations. I see nothing that appears to be suspicious.”

    Nathan Goulding with The National Review: “We have received several e-mails today calling into question the validity of the PDF that the White House released, namely that there are embedded layers in the document. There are now several other people on the case. We looked into it and dismissed it. … I’ve confirmed that scanning an image, converting it to a PDF, optimizing that PDF, and then opening it up in Illustrator, does in fact create layers similar to what is seen in the birth certificate PDF. You can try it yourself at home.”

    John Woodman, independent computer professional, said repeatedly in his book and in various articles on his Web site that the claims that Obama’s birth certificate was forged were unfounded.

    Ivan Zatkovich, who has testified in court as a technology expert, and consultant to WorldNetDaily: “All of the modifications to the PDF document that can be identified are consistent with someone enhancing the legibility of the document.” And, by the way, when WND received Zatkovich’s article that said that he found nothing wrong with Obama’s birth certificate, WordNDaily simply did not publish it.

    Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator, said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

    Birthers’ claim that Obama’s birth certificate is false is well understood to be caused by their own motives—they hate Obama and would like to harm him.

    Moreover, for Obama not to be a Natural Born Citizen, Obama would have had to have been born in some country other than in the USA, and that—considering how far Hawaii is from the nearest foreign country and the fact that pregnant women seldom traveled long distances late in pregnancy in 1961 AND that the officials in Hawaii and the birth certificate and the birth notices in Hawaii say that he was born in Hawaii—is not very likely at all.

  292. Carl says:

    Have you addressed the Connecticut social security number? I find it interesting that you have avoided that and people have asked repeatedly.

  293. TakeBack America says:

    Hey, Carl, hope you’re sitting down. I mentioned the CT SS# many times in response to the totally incorrect smrstrauss. Get this…….it was a data entry error. Yep. We’re so silly thinking it was an intentional misuse and fraudulent use of someone else’s #. Data entry error. Phew. Feel better now? Me niether. Smrstrauss is just flat out wrong and should be ignored.

  294. Carl says:

    Thank you for your reply regarding the CT social security number. Data entry error? I think not. If that was the case, why has it taken so many years, so many (well, not so many for Barry) jobs, employment in government, for him not not correct it? This guy is a fraud and a liar. I have no problem believing he was born in Hawaii but the body of evidence and his lack of transparency invites deeper scrutiny. The fact that so many Americans have been taken by the eloquent speeches rather than his accomplishments (slim to none) speaks to the fact that they would much rather watch “Jersey Shore” than work to save the Republic.

  295. james says:

    i think orly is a braveheart have respect for this woman. not only should we worry about fraud case’s. one thing that no one is talking about first look it up. our children are being attacked and used by communism. called CSCOPE look it up. our children are being taught allah is the almighty god and things like communism is good and works for all the people being equal and things like the BOSTON tea party was terrorism and taking info in letter form asking how the children feel about abortion ,how many guns their parent owns , if any neighbors own guns. now do we have something to worry about or feel safe with here ?! our children are told not to talk about this with anyone except some children have.look it up this has some parents and grandparents very upset to say the least. look at adds how our children are being used as in same way as communist countries.these are our children and by gally they are worth a good fight for.they are told not to talka bout this and teachers have signed gag’s no talk. very secertive goings on behind parents back with children. and it all comes back to our government CSCOPE you have to dig to find that part but you can see when digging it is going on even in many staes and small towns.it doesn’t matter being democrate or republic when thing are wrong in what use to be a free nation.health care,smoking band, gun bands, fraud charges,ruining our childrens minds teaching them communism is good and a freed nation is bad. brain washing if you hear it enought you believe it … thank you i can still see and think for my self. what is gong on changing our constitution is wrong it was written into it. changing laws as you go for what works isn’t the way to go . and communism isn’t way to live read real history schools should have been teaching what it is to really be communist. we have alot to lose here if things ar not heard and really reviewed .if we are right then stopping the wrong isn’t a bad thing if we are wrong then all should understand we love our country and want to keep it free as that is what our government should be doing keeping us safe but facts are facts and they do not look right get made. but think of the children their young minds being brain washed … and why ? not for the good of the children .

  296. This bullshit, and something needs to be done, or the rest of you are with his anti American ass. I do not bite my tinge, not one bit.

  297. Kay says:

    Sloan – go to Orly’s site and read the Summary that she has sent to the Supreme Court. It is STRONG. Someone needs to save us from the tyranny that is coming. God help Orly.

  298. Geneva Miller says:

    You need to wake up, it’s not his place of birth that makes him dangerous, it’s his idiotic, blatant hatred of America, but that’s ok Gods in control and you along with the other sheep will find that out…..until then, have a nice day in your silly little world:-)))))))

  299. Arc Crew says:

    Funny thing is, How come it took so long to bring all these papers out? where were they in 2008/2009? How long would it take for a man with the resources of the President of the United States to forge those documents? 4 years? Why does the dustcover of his book Dreams Of My Father state he was born in Kenya when he ran for senator, but changed to born in Hawaii for the reprinting before he started running to president ? Why did he use a SS# that was not his for his 2009 taxes? Just to many question, Why won’t he answer any of them?

  300. Arc Crew says:

    smrstrauss is a simple misinformation drone, He simply repeats the same unsatisfactory dribble with not one real answer.

  301. George says:

    I don’t see that the Supreme Court even works for America anymore. They will throw this out in one minute.

  302. Megan says:

    seems to me you are the one dreaming about what should be instead of seeing what IS. overwhelming evidence?? all ive been shown is a fake birth cert that doesnt even have the same boarder as the REAL Hawaiian birth certs do….also his SSN doesnt match his name but yes you can keep dreaming…..go ahead and dream him into being a citizen. his own wife said they went to visit his HOMETOWN in KENYA. DUH.

  303. Megan says:

    i could not have said it better my self.

  304. smrstrauss says:

    Re: “On Wednesday, Chief Justice John Roberts of the Supreme Court scheduled a birther case…”

    In case you did not hear about it, on Tuesday, February 19, the US Supreme Court threw out Orly’s case.

    http://www.supremecourt.gov/Search.aspx?FileName=/docketfiles/12a606.htm

  305. Mr. Obama was born in Alabama in 1916, not 1961. He is 97 years old this year.
    (He doesn’t have iron poisoning & copper deficiency like the general population. — They live 45 years longer than the iron poisoned/copper deficient population. They lie on their age to conceal their lifespan of 120 years. Same lifespan God gave us, and never changed. As of 2013, they live over 50 years longer, as the general population is in the final stage of extermination since 2005/2006.)

    Mr. Obama was born “Barry Alexander Moore” in Selma, Alabama in 1916. A brother, “Armour Caleb Moore” was born in about 1914, and apparently named after his maternal grandfather, Stanley Armour Dunham. His mother, Ann Dunham reportedly used the name Marcie Moore. Margie Moore is the name of the woman in Barry’s household in Selma.

    By 1940 Mr. O’Bama had attended two years of college. Between 1940 and 1942, he moved to Chicago, Illinois where he registered for the WWII draft in 1942.

    (Note: any claims of persons that are currently alive (or recently deceased) are him or his family in Selma AL, are false. They are not the same person/s. Identity switching is just one tactic they use to conceal their lifespan of 120 years.)

    The controversy surrounding the fake birth certificate is staged. The media and all persons involved in the investigation of citizenship are engaging in fraud. Mr. O’Bama was born in Alabama, USA.

    Alabama judge Roy Moore is leading the eligibility case against his cousin Barry Moore. Roy was born in 1902 in Alabama; his official birth year is 1947.

    They love to practice falsehood, and they enjoy secretly exterminating the population. They think that by secretly decreasing the real population below 200 million, they can change the set times and beat their MAKER.

    No one can change the set times. No one can beat their MAKER.

    http://www.themessageofhiskingdom.com/
    C.A. Bouthillier
    Researcher

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  307. Barry had attended two years of college by the time of the 1940 Selma AL census. It appears in about 1940-41, he moved to Chicago, Illinois where his name shows up for the WWII draft registration. This is probably when an identity switch took place; someone else assumed his identity and signed up for the draft.

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