California Seizes Guns as Owners Lose Right to Bear Arms

Wearing bulletproof vests and carrying 40-caliber Glock pistols, nine California Justice Department agents assembled outside a ranch-style house in a suburb east of Los Angeles. They were looking for a gun owner who’d recently spent two days in a mental hospital.

They knocked on the door and asked to come in. About 45 minutes later, they came away peacefully with three firearms.

California Raiders Seize Guns as Owners Lose Right to Bear Arms

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California Department of Justice police agents walk towards a house near Ontario, California on Tuesday, March 5, 2013. The agents, working for the only state-level program to confiscate illegal firearms from owners, targeted people who’d once legally purchased firearms and lost the right after being convicted of violent crimes, committed to mental institutions or hit with restraining orders.

California Department of Justice police agents walk towards a house near Ontario, California on Tuesday, March 5, 2013. The agents, working for the only state-level program to confiscate illegal firearms from owners, targeted people who’d once legally purchased firearms and lost the right after being convicted of violent crimes, committed to mental institutions or hit with restraining orders. Photographer: Patrick T. Fallon/Bloomberg

California Raiders Seize Guns as Owners Lose Right to Bear Arms

California Raiders Seize Guns as Owners Lose Right to Bear Arms

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Special Agent Supervisor John Marsh who coordinates the operations around California, said: “We’re not contacting anybody who can legally own a gun. The only people we’re contacting are people who are prohibited from owning guns.”

Special Agent Supervisor John Marsh who coordinates the operations around California, said: “We’re not contacting anybody who can legally own a gun. The only people we’re contacting are people who are prohibited from owning guns.” Photographer: Patrick T. Fallon/Bloomberg

Lynette and David Phillips

Lynette and David Phillips

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Lynette Phillips, 48, and her husband, David Phillips, 51, sit in their home in Upland, California on March 5, 2013. Lynette, a nurse, had to surrender three guns after spending two days in a mental hospital in December.

Lynette Phillips, 48, and her husband, David Phillips, 51, sit in their home in Upland, California on March 5, 2013. Lynette, a nurse, had to surrender three guns after spending two days in a mental hospital in December. Photographer: Patrick T. Fallon/Bloomberg

California Raiders Seize Guns as Owners Lose Right to Bear Arms

California Raiders Seize Guns as Owners Lose Right to Bear Arms

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Weapons and ammunition seized from the home of Lynette and David Philllips by agents with the California Department of Justice police in Upland, California.

Weapons and ammunition seized from the home of Lynette and David Philllips by agents with the California Department of Justice police in Upland, California. Photographer: Patrick T. Fallon/Bloomberg

California Raiders Seize Guns as Owners Lose Right to Bear Arms

California Raiders Seize Guns as Owners Lose Right to Bear Arms

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Weapons with ammunition seized from the home of Lynette and David Phillips by agents with the California Department of Justice police in Upland, California.

Weapons with ammunition seized from the home of Lynette and David Phillips by agents with the California Department of Justice police in Upland, California. Photographer: Patrick T. Fallon/Bloomberg

California Raiders Seize Guns as Owners Lose Right to Bear Arms

California Raiders Seize Guns as Owners Lose Right to Bear Arms

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California Department of Justice police agents walk towards a house near Ontario, California on March 5, 2013.

California Department of Justice police agents walk towards a house near Ontario, California on March 5, 2013. Photographer: Patrick T. Fallon/Bloomberg

Special Agent Supervisor John Marsh

Special Agent Supervisor John Marsh

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Special Agent Supervisor John Marsh with the California Department of Justice drives out to seize illegal firearms near Ontario, California on March 5, 2013.

Special Agent Supervisor John Marsh with the California Department of Justice drives out to seize illegal firearms near Ontario, California on March 5, 2013. Photographer: Patrick T. Fallon/Bloomberg

California is the only state that tracks and disarms people with legally registered guns who have lost the right to own them, according to Attorney General Kamala Harris. Almost 20,000 gun owners in the state are prohibited from possessing firearms, including convicted felons, those under a domestic violence restraining order or deemed mental unstable.

“What do we do about the guns that are already in the hands of persons who, by law, are considered too dangerous to possess them?” Harris said in a letter to Vice President Joe Biden after a Connecticut school shooting in December left 26 dead. She recommended that Biden, heading a White House review of gun policy, consider California as a national model.

As many as 200,000 people nationwide may no longer be qualified to own firearms, according to Garen Wintemute, director of the Violence Prevention Research Program at theUniversity of California, Davis. Other states may lack confiscation programs because they don’t track purchases as closely as California, which requires most weapons sales go through a licensed dealer and be reported.

“Very, very few states have an archive of firearm owners like we have,” said Wintemute, who helped set up the program.

Funding Increase

Harris, a 48-year-old Democrat, has asked California lawmakers to more than double the number of agents from the current 33 who seized about 2,000 weapons last year, along with 117,000 rounds of ammunition and 11,000 high-capacity magazines, according to state data.

“We’re not contacting anybody who can legally own a gun,”said John Marsh, a supervising agent who coordinates the sometimes-contentious seizures. “I got called the Antichrist the other day. Every conspiracy theory you’ve heard of, take that times 10.”

The no-gun list is compiled by cross-referencing files on almost 1 million handgun and assault-weapon owners with databases of new criminal records and involuntary mental-health commitments. About 15 to 20 names are added each day, according to the attorney general’s office.

Probable Cause

Merely being in a database of registered gun owners and having a “disqualifying event,” such as a felony conviction or restraining order, isn’t sufficient evidence for a search warrant, Marsh said March 5 during raids in San Bernardino County. So the agents often must talk their way into a residence to look for weapons, he said.

At a house in Fontana, agents were looking for a gun owner with a criminal history of a sex offense, pimping, according to the attorney general’s office. Marsh said that while the woman appeared to be home, they got no answer at the door. Without a warrant, the agents couldn’t enter and had to leave empty-handed.

They had better luck in nearby Upland, where they seized three guns from the home of Lynette Phillips, 48, who’d been hospitalized for mental illness, and her husband, David. One gun was registered to her, two to him.

“The prohibited person can’t have access to a firearm,”regardless of who the registered owner is, said Michelle Gregory, a spokeswoman for the attorney general’s office.

Involuntarily Held

In an interview as agents inventoried the guns, Lynette Phillips said that while she’d been held involuntarily in a mental hospital in December, the nurse who admitted her had exaggerated the magnitude of her condition.

Todd Smith, chief executive officer of Aurora Charter Oak Hospital in Covina, where documents provided by Phillips show she was treated, didn’t respond to telephone and e-mail requests for comment on the circumstances of the treatment.

Phillips said her husband used the guns for recreation. She didn’t blame the attorney general’s agents for taking the guns based on the information they had, she said.

“I do feel I have every right to purchase a gun,”Phillips said. “I’m not a threat. We’re law-abiding citizens.”

No one was arrested.

“It’s not unusual to not arrest a mental-health person because every county in the state handles those particular cases differently,” Gregory said by e-mail. “Unless there’s an extenuating need to arrest them on the spot, we refer the case”to the local district attorney’s office, she said.

Convicted Felons

Agents more often arrest convicted felons who are prohibited from buying, receiving, owning or possessing a firearm, Gregory said. Violation of the ban is itself a felony.

The state Senate agreed March 7 to expand the seizure program using $24 million in surplus funds from fees that gun dealers charge buyers for background checks.

Andrew Arulanandam, a spokesman for the National Rifle Association, a gun lobby that says it has more than 4 million individuals as members, didn’t respond to a request for comment on the program.

Sam Paredes, executive director of the Folsom-based advocacy group Gun Owners of California, praised the program, though not how it is funded.

“We think that crime control instead of gun control is absolutely the way to go,” he said. “The issue we have is funding this program only from resources from law-abiding gun purchasers. This program has a benefit to the entire public and therefore the entire public should be paying through general-fund expenditures, and not just legal gun owners.”

 

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16 Comments on California Seizes Guns as Owners Lose Right to Bear Arms

  1. hey jimmy fuck you . I was convicted of possesion of stolen property when i was 17 years old , i am now a law abiding ,tax paying citizen and have been for almost 20 years now . i should be able to defend my family from morons like yourself . i fucking wish they would come to my house on some dumb shit like that . Only sheeple let them do what they want .

  2. hey “thejimmyzshow” you got things all mucked up. maybe you need to investigate. I agree with giving up your rights if you’re a convict or pedofile or anything that can harm anyone. but please do the research before posting something as silly as you have.

  3. The people that are included under this have to have been in a mental institution for 72 hours. Not 48 hours … 72 hours. If they’re doing this, and you don’t believe eventually they’re going to do this to everybody, then you’re not paying attention!

  4. You’re an IDIOT thejimmyshow …. You are either FOR “WE THE PEOPLE” OF AMERICA or you are AGAINST “WE THE PEOPLE” …. Your comment tells all…. you are AGAINST we the people ….

  5. http://www.newcheapmagazines.com will give all gun owners a 15% discount. I just ordered and they said if you aren’t s gun owner, they don’t want the business. They support guns. email them and tell them you support the 2nd amendment and they will email you a promo code.They said they will be doing this forever because they want to save you money so you can buy more ammo.lol

  6. Is THIS NOT THE EXACT REASON for which the founding fathers of the Constitutional Republic granted we the People the CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to Firearms? To ENSURE that tyranny would NOT be able to further ENSLAVE We The People, so that WE the People could PROTECT OUR SOVERIEGNTY? My advice? Start stocking up. Lead, soon to be the most VALUABLE “PRESIOUS METAL” available – but, only to those who have prepared in ADVANCE!

  7. You didn’t READ THE ARTICLE, which said: “In an interview as agents inventoried the guns, Lynette Phillips said that while she’d been held involuntarily in a mental hospital in December, the nurse who admitted her had exaggerated the magnitude of her condition.” It also reported that she was only hospitalized for TWO DAYS! She neither had a Restraining Order against her, nor is she a convicted felon. So, little jimmy, why don’t you go play in the sandbox with the children and leave the big-people discussions to the adults?

  8. What restraining order? or what conviction of a felony were Phillips and her husband guilty of again, thejimmyzshow? So you are the one with an attitude problem here, right?

  9. Yay! It’s about time. Once you are a convict, or you have a restraining order against you, you’re done. You gave up the right to own a weapon. Conservatives who are against this are not conservative at all – you’re acting like anarchists.

  10. i AGREE WITH JEFE, SUE THEM. I DON’T THINK THEY HAD “JUST CAUSE” TO JUST COME AND TAKE THEIR LEGALLY OWNED WEAPONS AWAY. THIS IS BULL. AND IF THIS IS ISN’T RECTIFIED, HOW MUCH WORSE WILL IT GET FOR THE REST OF US??

  11. Umm, unless Lynette Phillips was ADJUDICATED, the police have no right to confiscate her (or her husband’s) firearms. Observational stays in hospitals, for mental health concerns, does not legally lead to the designation “prohibited” (per the ATF and Federal standards). Unless California violates her medical privacy, or there is unconstitutional legislation in California that dictates that anyone seeks mental health assistance is immediately “prohibited” (without DUE PROCESS of the law), what those law enforcement officials did was ILLEGAL. It doesn’t matter if she was “involuntarily” committed for 2 or 3 days; the only way she can legally lose her rights is if a judge takes them away (following her providing, with a lawyer’s assistance, a legal defense; DUE PROCESS).

    Lynette Phillips needs to SUE.

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