PATRICIA HARRITY for THE EXPOSE

Theresa May and 100 MPs are now not renewing their seats in Parliament due to the inquiries being made and evidence found by former police officer, Gary Waterman. Gary has exposed a “huge government fraud” surrounding the illegal practices at Companies House and the registration process.

Importantly there is also irrefutable evidence that links this system to Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein, Robert Maxwell and Max Clifford according to Gary Waterman, who also claims that every single tenant of the World Trade Center at the time of the collapse links to this system of fraud, as well as every single tenant of both airline companies.

 

Gary Waterman also says Larry Silverstein purchased the lease for the World Trade Center in July 2001, which was the only time in the history of the World Trade Center since it had been built that it had changed management, and highlights the fact that Silverstein acquired the lease for the building, and in September 2001, as we know the building collapsed. Following the terrible disaster, reconstruction began and, says Waterman, “Larry Silverstein acquired a grant that links through to the companies related to my fraud to rebuild the World Trade Center.”

The Companies House registration system is a system that’s been operating since 1844 and registers all limited public liability and LLP companies, says Gary Waterman, and “sole trade companies, sole traders do not have to register with it but they register them and they’ve been doing that been since 1844, but they have never verified any details of anyone applying for a registering a company.”

This has enabled everybody to produce, or register with false names, false addresses, false documents, false companies, which in turn creates a lack of accountability for any illegitimate or unlawful trading for those companies.

This now makes the whole tax system unlawful, according to Gary, which means taxes paid into the system aid and abet criminality. Although “there’s lots more to this” Gary, “because of the system they’ve been implementing, we have unlawful weapons’ companies being contracted through the taxation contribution system.

“Now that means every bullet that is fired is unlawful because in criminal law the causation carries through – if you obtain money unlawfully through a criminal system and that money is used even in what you would normally call a “legal way”, it is still unlawful because the causation of illegality continues through to the end.”

Many other companies are also implicated in this fraudulent system according to Gary Waterman. These include SWIFT, Fujitsu along with the PPE scandal and Michelle Mone and others. Gary tells all in an interview he recently had with Richard Vobes, shared below. There is a transcript that I have written below for those who can’t listen to the video.

Transcript

0:00 RV – Hello and welcome back to the channel thank you for joining me in another of my wonderful interviews today we’re going to be looking at some very serious uh evidence um and claims that will be fascinating for you I’ve watched a couple of um YouTube videos that have been online um and a few people have been sharing with them with me saying Richard you must see this it’s more fraud from the government particularly with Companies House.

Ex, or former police officer Gary Waterman is joining me today with some irrefutable evidence of falsification from Companies’ House’s register along with um forged Bank documents produced by the Banks, but it goes much deeper than this and the links to where it goes is vast.

Gary welcome to the show.

GW Hello Richard thank you very much for letting me have this opportunity to speak to you

RV No problem at all. Now I know that the information that you’ve been putting out has um has caused quite a stir certainly for you because you you’re basically in hiding at the moment because of the information that you’ve got. We’ll go into that in a second, maybe you could just tell us a little bit about your background and then what it is that you’ve got to share with us

GW Of course Richard and firstly I’d like to say a massive thank you to a gentleman called Scotty I’ve never actually met Scotty but Scotty started pointing me in the right direction in relation to this and without him I wouldn’t have quite believed what I was going to uncover so I hope he sees this, thank you Scotty, you need some appreciation from people in relation to this.

Yeah so um I’m a former police officer, as you’ve said I joined Kent police in 2000 and then transferred to Dorset police in 2006 where I purchased a flat within a block of flats and I became a director for a freehold company in relation to that block.

I think it’s a good idea if I give you the buildup on how I led to this information because it is so vast as when I was a director I had a little involvement with the actual management of the building and the company because of my job in the police. I was very busy and I also was very fortunate enough to take a career break so I wasn’t actually in the era for a long time and eventually I came back to the Block in 2020 and in 2022.

We had a roof project 2021 2022, we had a roof project on the building and I wanted to look into the financial situation surrounding our building, and I won’t go into too many specifics, I’m not going to mention names or anything like that, it’s important that we keep this broad, but as a result of my inquiries three directors within the company resigned and the management company for the building also resigned because I wanted to see the authentic Bank documents in relation to that.

It went on from there, and I’ll try and keep this concise, but eventually I managed to obtain two sets of accounts, one of those accounts appears to be authentic bank accounts, bank statements, the other set were clearly forged and what I mean by that is, the, as we all know our normal bank statements when we have them, they’re aligned, they’re consistent, they’re uniformed, so you have the figures in line within a table normally of the amounts the dates the reference etc this was completely misaligned, the dates were in amount columns, amounting date columns etc. Bank software would always produce it consistently uniformed in line as we know.

Forged Bank Documents

Anyway. the authentic Bank documents I had I worked out from the figures that there appeared to be around over 67,000 worth worth of missing service charge contributions going into the service of this building. At this time I’m thinking okay this is going to be something to be localized to do with my building.

I then obtained confirmation that the forged Bank documents had been given to the management company by the bank itself so I contacted the bank, verified that it was an employee of Lloyd, of a bank and that confirmation they led me to speak to the employee that had had had obviously given these details and documents to the management company.

Initially they were quite happy to verify and confirm any of these documents as being authentic and said they would sign anything to agree to that I then sent this gentleman an email with the documents and explained my concerns and all the discrepancies that I told you about – the fact that I was a former police officer, and I never heard from them again.

Never heard from them again. I then raised a complaint the bank they have still not finalised the complaint, we’re talking over a year ago so the complaint is still open. The complaint was for them to try to just authenticate, confirm that these documents were authentic or not. They haven’t confirmed.

So obviously I’ve reported everything in the meantime. I’m reporting all of this to the authorities okay and that was the force that I used to work for because I lived in the area where, for the force they work for.

Disclosed Information

5:13 I then found out that that Force had leaked information about my reports to a prime suspect that had already been um identified through my inquiries as very likely being involved and that Prime Suspect is a former Dorset police officer.

I’m going to say the officer they’re already aware of this, it’s already in the public domain this information on my videos and they had disclosed information about my investigation to this Prime Suspect despite already having had an email for me in writing saying why this person was a prime suspect

Okay, I then found out that there were connections, and again, I’m not going to mention names there were connections, apparent connections between a former deputy chief Constable within Dorset police with some of the shareholders within my company, okay and they were shareholders who have appeared to have emitted all of their service charge contributions into the building.

So at this point I’m starting to think, okay, well this is this is now escalating, this is getting slightly bigger now.

In the meantime I then realised how big it was getting and realised the risks to my wife and I and how the possible implications and this I escalated the complaint to the serious Fraud Office and the Independent Office for Police Conduct.

They knew all of the information, the concerns that I had about the connections with the force.

Being Followed

I also then started to be followed when we were going to the flat because we we tried to separate him from the building. When I realised how big it was, I realised we were at risk so we came away from the building and very fortunately we’ve got a van so we were able to move away from the Block.

But when we did go back we were being followed and people would, you could tell they were being followed because it was in sometimes we were going back there in the middle of the night because we knew how serious this was to get items from our flat and people were on their phone and appearing to try and cause people to get us to come to the building and also following us down the road to see where we’re parking the vehicle. Anyway, sorry, I’m going going a little bit off tangent here.

So, the serious Fraud Office despite knowing all of this including the fact that we had had apps appearing on my phone trying to track my location and my emails having been infiltrated and documents and emails deleted. Despite knowing this, the independent office for police conduct was insistent that Dorset police deal with this situation.

Now I already had the information and concern that that would cause a serious conflict of interest because of the connections that are already being made.

Now the independent office for police conduct’s own website states that they have the ability to deal with “sensitive matters that have the potential to affect the Public’s confidence in the police.”

8:06 Well this was now starting to not only show evidence of the potential to affect the confidence in the police, but also the judicial system and we in a moment will come to the government itself.

Escalating

So this started escalating, it started snowballing I then suspected that the documents were being produced by the Banks themselves which is a very serious matter under the fraud act, you cannot produce a forged article used in fraud and that includes a bank document.

8:30 So it escalated to the Home Office, so I then started to include the Home Office within all of the emails within the concerns and they refused to intervene.

I then made connections with the fraud through to the police and crime commissioner for the area, and it just escalated and eventually this led to me uncovering which is the serious problem in all of this.

And that is that the Companies House registration system, for those of you who don’t know what it is, it’s a system that’s been operating since 1844 okay, and it registers all limited public liability and LLP companies.

Okay sole trade companies sole traders do not have to register with it but they register them and they’ve been doing that been since 1844, but they have never verified any details of anyone applying for a registering a company. Okay never.

9:28 Now, as you know, and your viewers will know, general members of the public have to have their details verified for many things. We have to supply proof of address, proof of identity, for many, many things, Companies House had not been doing this.

Now the reason for this is, well, one example is when I was in the police if we were to release somebody from custody we would need to verify, ideally we would verify their name, and their address and that would be so we can release them, but we can still find them again if they don’t turn up for a court process, or we need to serve court papers on them. It’s common sense.

But Companies House has not been doing this, so this has enabled everybody to produce, or register with false names, false addresses, false documents, false companies, linked to those documents and that then creates a lack of accountability for any illegitimate or unlawful trading for those companies. That’s one of the problems you see and …

Incorporation Document

RV and just to intersperse.. just to say we’ve often heard on many consumer shows of companies that register as one company they dissolve and then they reappear as another company, you know to get out their responsibilities.

GW -Absolutely, I mean that’s happening right the way through this board. I’ve looked at thousands of companies, but the real crux of this is what and this is the irrefutable evidence that we now have – is when a company registers they have what’s called an “incorporation document” and that incorporation document is a legal document it’s a signed document so that will have details of the initial directors, the initial secretaries. It’s signed by those individuals It obviously has the names and addresses and everything like that.

They get attached to the relevant register on with Companies House and that register and those documents is controlled by Companies House.

But what what they have been doing, and that this is without a shadow of a doubt, what’s been happening is that they have had the incorporation documents which has the company name on them they have then entered a false company name on the register to which that incorporation document is attached.

11:49 Now that creates, that means that that company is not trading lawfully, because for a company to trade, if it’s a limited LLP or PLC company, it has to be registered with Companies House to trade, but, it of course, if it’s not, it’s not registered correctly, is it? If the the register doesn’t reflect the incorporation document, the legal document, it’s not lawfully trading.

RV Right. Yeah I mean we’ve had just to again and I don’t want to interrupt too many times but I was talking to Ian Jarvis about the 5G towers a couple of weeks ago and it seems that a lot of 5G Towers have gone up under a company called three, limit, 3 UK limited and forgive me if I’ve got that wrong.

But when you go to have a look the company no longer exists, or it’s dissolved, but they’re still trading and so it’s still trading as a supposed limited company which clearly is not right. So there’s obviously a lot of this stuff going on and most people don’t know about it.

Right Place, Right Time

GW – Absolutely, absolutely I think for me, I’ve just been in the right place at the right time. I’ve had, I don’t work at the moment, I’ve saved very hard on my life and I was very fortunate I was able to resign, not to do with this, but I resigned from the police in 2018 and you know my wife and I, we don’t spend much money, we love walking, we love cycling, we don’t drink, we don’t take drugs, you know how we have a very um frugal life, but we love our life. It’s a great way to live to enjoy the outdoors, but it’s given me the time and the opportunity to look into this to the level I have.

Potential to Cause Very Serious Problems

And I think that is why this has now been exposed and things that have happened since I’ve starting exposing it this this will show you how serious this is and I don’t want people to panic you know this has the potential to cause very serious problems but I think the general member of the public need to remain rational in this, we need to remain calm, and we need to let the government do the right thing if and give them the opportunity to do the right thing in this and things are happening.

13:57 And I’ll tell you what’s been happening. So I reported this in, started reporting this in September 2022. Since that time the head of the serious Fraud Office has been moved. That person, I won’t name them, has been removed, the head of the independent office for police conduct has been moved, the Chief constable and deputy chief Constable of Dorset police have been moved.

They were overseeing the department that was investigating the fraud the head of the Council for the area of this has been removed and there were articles that went on in relation to misuse of the TA council tax in relation to that person.

Despite trading since operating since 1844 on the 26th of October 2023 Company’s House and anyone can see all of this publicised a proposal to verify some company registrations.

14:58 Okay, okay that’s since I’ve reported the fraud. Remember, they’ve never done it before, right, but only some verification, so that will allow the ability for a selective few to still use this system of fraud. Now this is linked through to politicians, this is linked through two police organisations, this is irrefutable evidence of this, it’s documented and this is the problem, they now have and why they’re not removing my videos is because it’s shown within public publicly accessible documents on the Companies House registration system they cannot remove public documents from social media, they cannot do that.

Companies House Say They Were Hacked

Okay, so these things show how serious this was. There was also an article several days ago that came out on a particular business Channel and that highlighted that all banks now need to be on high alert because they’re now trying to suggest that the Companies House registration system has been hacked and that somebody else has attached these documents to the register.

I have evidence saying and showing that has not been the case, so they’re trying to, appearing to try and cover their tracks. Now everything I’m telling you is documented in an almost 100,000 word statement and thousands of supporting documents, but importantly the…. sorry carry on

RV I was I was simply going to say that that thousand-word document I know you’ve got you actually ringing up um HMRC (Her Majesty’s Revenue and Customs) and other places reading it out so people can go to your channel, and we’ll leave the link in the description so that they can watch those videos and see exactly how you present that.

16:42 GW Thank you, yes yes I mean, I even made a call to, the other day, and you can see my video it’s still there on my YouTube channel and I phoned HMRC and I recorded the call and that there’s a video of that call and I explained the situation to them and I said to them “look this is the taxation system is a fraudulent criminal system” and she said, “I agree”

Now this is a HMRC representative agreeing that their system is criminal and fraudulent. Now, I’m all for paying my taxes, I always have, let me just reiterate this – I’ve always paid my taxes, but we’re now in a situation where it’s proven to be a criminal system which means we become complicit to a crime.

With that knowledge, okay, we become, we aid and abet a abet a criminal system. Now in this, I mean there’s lots more to this, I mean you have, because of the system they’ve been implementing, we have unlawful uh weapons companies being contracted through the taxation contribution system.

Now that means every bullet that is fired is unlawful because in criminal law the causation carries through if you obtain money unlawfully through a criminal system and that money is used even in what you would normally call a “legal way”, it is still unlawful because the causation of illegality continues through to the end.

So you can see the implications this now has, because the weapons we’re supplying, as an for example, in the Israeli Gaza conflict at the moment, it all becomes illegal anyway under criminal law, so you can see the implications of this.

PM Thrilled To Pay For Weapons.

RV And we’re we’re constantly being told by the Prime Minister how thrilled he is to be sending more money for armaments overseas, which presumably has not come out of his own pocket, it’s come out of the the public tax fund of course.

So all of these problems, if I’m not going to mention Rishi Sunak, individually, but if people are gaining financially from making decisions that aren’t in the interests of the general public, or the environment, it’s a flawed system.

You can and I’ll come on to what needs to happen now what I believe and I think the only way now to move forward on this I’m going to explain several things that need to happen in a minute is to we need to instill trust back into our government, we need to be able to trust them.

How can we trust people to make decisions for us if they have a financial motive a personal financial motive for themselves or a affiliated people connected to them it the system would just it won’t work it won’t work. We need to get trust, as you know, and everyone watching this will know, you have to have trust and truth in any relationship in life to have a foundation to move forward.

You can’t have a relationship with anyone whether it’s a marriage, a government, or police relationship, if you don’t have trust and you have to have truth for that this is this is such a big problem, but, I am hopeful this can be resolved and I’m going to explain some things that I need to happen.

Would you like me to do that now?

20:05 RV yeah, why not, absolutely.

What Needs To Happen

GW Okay, so I’ve got it written down so just now I don’t see any other way moving forward in this unless they do these things, and again this is my personal opinion of course. There will be people that disagree with this potentially and I completely respect that and understand that, but the first thing they need to do now in this is to create a transparent taxation system at the source of the payments.

20:36 Okay now what I mean by that. the technology is there, you create the ability for the general public to log on to the bank account system and see the collective income.

For example from our local council tax on a six-monthly basis you see the amount coming in because obviously you can’t show personal payments from individuals, but show the collective amount coming in at the source of the payments in the accounts, and then how money is spent in relation to the council tax through the expenditure on the transactions.

It’s simply done, the technology is there. Immediately you would have trust in the financial system

Yes that’s that’s or you would see or you would see the misappropriation of funds exactly and you could challenge it and show the evidence.

Absolutely now this system what we’ve now identified, and it’s not just me, there’s other people looking into this now, it shows that that is now essential. And why wouldn’t they do that? let’s face it why wouldn’t they do that you would think in in a world where people are honorable that it would be a no-brainer, but, that doesn’t seem to be the world that we’re in, and not one that they’re familiar with I don’t think.

Absolutely, absolutely. The second thing they now must do is the verification of company registrations so they need to verify name of everybody. Though you know they’re saying they’re just going to do it for somebody, some people they can’t do that, they’ve got to do it for everybody.

Well I mean it that makes a lot of sense, because I could go on and just register myself as Fred Blogs, some cannabis seller supplier and start trading as that, but not, and have the liability the limited liability and they wouldn’t know where I was operating from

Exactly, exactly, not that I just make the point I haven’t done that and I don’t sell cannabis just so people know

Yeah absolutely, so that’s the second thing they they need to do.

The third thing they need to do is which, is what we’ve already covered, they need to ensure that there is strict legislation in place to ensure that politicians cannot make decisions for their own personal financial gain or for personal financial gain of those affiliated to them. It needs to be a strict, harsh punishment for anyone that has identified in in doing that. Have any politicians if that was

Theresa May Stepping Down

Well this is the problem, we’ve now got unfortunately and very recently uh now it’s already been taken down from the news and one of my videos, one of my clips on YouTube taken down. Theresa May is now stepping down. Now I’m not going to go into too much detail, I’m not saying Theresa May is directly involved in any fraud at all, but she introduced the police and crime Commissioners Office, when she was the Home Office she introduced the Financial Conduct Authority.

Sorry the uh sorry the National Crime Agency, she also introduced the Royal College of Policing. I’ve evidence showing that all of those are linked to this system of fraud. Now she’s now stepping down from Power.

You’ve also got around a 100 MPs are now not renewing their seats in Parliament now through my inquiries I’ve been emailing all of the evidence to over 600, well around 650 MPS and counselors have been getting the evidence that I’ve been been finding, unbelievably none of them are responding.

24:16 Even my local MP. okay and many of them are linked to this system of fraud I’ve now proven that through the documents that I’m now retrieving. So it’s, you can see how huge this is.

Yes

Epstein, Maxwells and Clifford

24:28 importantly also, irrefutable evidence shows that this system through Companies House links to Max Clifford, Jeffrey Epstein Ghislaine Maxwell, Robert Maxwell

very very quickly and those names have a lot of associations with some very nefarious doings

Absolutely, absolutely and and I don’t know, I mean most people would know what happened to Max Clifford and Jeffrey Epstein from reports I won’t speculate on, but we all know the rumours and the speculations around what happened to them and we must bear in mind that with my inquiries there’s over 5 million companies registered with Companies House and all of the evidence that I have links very quickly within 2030 companies as an example I mean I I don’t want to worry people too much, but, I’ve done research starting from the world Trade Center disaster within six companies there are links to the airline at sorry to one of the tenants for the building to my company.

Within six companies there are five, over five million registered companies, there’s lots and lots of links that bring so to

25:49 – RV just explain that how that um because they link to you how would they link to you

GW – Okay so, what I’ve done is if you start from one point of investigation, so for example, with what I’ve done with that is I’ve started from looking at research as to who the tenants were for the World Trade Center, and you can find very easily, find a list of who the tenants were at the time of that building’s collapse so you then look on companies House reg, on the company’s house register for that company, because Companies House and the UK is the central hub of finance for the world, it’s not just the UK.

Worldwide Companies Including WTC

So you have worldwide companies registering with Companies House, okay, so you then identify the tenants, all of the tenants within the World Trade Center, you look at their incorporation documents and you find links through the secretaries directors or linked companies. Follow the trail and it links to my building my

right very quickly yes very very quickly

26:55 and we’re talking about uh well every single tenant of the World Trade Center at the time of the collapse links to this system of fraud every single tenant the both airline companies linked to the system of fraud the person who purchased the World Trade Center he sorry he purchased the lease of the World Trade Center a gentleman called, now I’m not saying Larry Silverstein is involved in any of this I’m just saying the this is what I have irrefutable evidence of Larry Silverstein purchased the lease for the World Trade Center in July 2001 that was the only time in the history of the World Trade Center uh uh since it had been built that it had changed management.

So in July 2001 he acquired the lease for the building, as we know the building collapsed in September 2001, yes okay very soon afterwards um after everything obviously was managed and the terrible disaster that happened, reconstruction began and Larry Silverstein acquired a grant that links through to the companies related to my fraud to rebuild the World Trade Center.

Okay very closely connected through the documents that I have I mean there’s lot there’s so much more I could tell

RV – yeah just on that on you said all the tenants would they be the tenants themselves whoever they were did they know I mean were was it a deliberate thing to be connected to that or in terms of knowing that there was fraudulent activity or is it just by default because they happen to be a tenant there that they are linked even though they may not know.

28:53 – GW – I mean I wouldn’t like to speculate too much on this to be honest with you, all I can say is that there are irrefutable actions to the companies linked to the fraud, system of fraud very quickly.

So what I mean by that is false entity company creation right and also links through to Max Clifford Jeffrey Epstein that that’s absolutely there um

RV – so this is kind of this this whole registering of companies and not being the the right company not being vetted by companies house effectively gives it sounds like this spiders web of possible fraud for all sorts of Nefarious characters to trade illegally and as a result of that, as you said earlier, on that once fraud is there you know it doesn’t matter how laudable, you go from there onwards the fraud has been set so everything else is in fraud.

GW – yeah, yeah absolutely it’s yeah as soon as you have a company for example that has, for example, my company, and I won’t mention it too much but on our incorporation document there’s two company names, okay, so as soon as those two company names are on that document because it’s a legal document it means anything using the company names becomes illegal.

So if those two companies have been set up with a false register in relation to their incorporation document that means the subsequent company is also false and illegal and shouldn’t be trading.

RV – yes okay it follows on I suppose, what I’m trying to sort of get from you is the scale of this, because some people watching this may go oh but if it’s just you know, a little bit of minor fraud. What you’re really saying is that major fraud activities is carrying on, looks legal, but isn’t legal, but is only possible because they’ve registered in this way.

Have I got that right?

GW – yes absolutely, absolutely yes, because of the, but you’ve also got, I mean, there’s other elements of this so you’ll see some of the incorporation documents looks they look as though they’ve actually been um altered and forged as well and it’s very clear that that appears to be what’s happening because you can see the documents have been overwritten.

Parts have been removed and altered since the signatures have signed the document, so that becomes a fraud in itself. Yes and so we’ve also got that element. Also what’s been happening is there’s duplication of company’s House Records within companies so you might have within one company you have what can clearly be seen is the same person with the same names but they’ve created two records within that company register and one of those records will have, for example, three companies attached to that person and then there’ll be maybe 300 attached to the other person.

But, it’s clearly the same person and everybody’s record should have all of their companies listed under one record you see. Now if I’ve identified that, company’s house would undoubtedly have known that was happening but they’re still creating duplicate records within the companies.

RV – Right, so how how does this affect on a wider a picture that this is going on and and people clearly are being affected by illegal companies trading and and you know in terms of that perhaps demands like with tax that is now deemed actually we can’t be asking you (for) this tax because when you come back to the the point the company has been registered completely illegally so therefore down the chain what we’re now doing is wrong or is unlawful or is illegal, so are there wider examples of what is affecting say potential viewers of this Channel or or members of the public that would be affected by these these companies?

GW- yeah, well undoubtedly this is the reason that there is the disparity between the rich and poor right. Without a shadow of a doubt this system is being used by the people that have established companies whether they’re illegal or not.

Okay and if they’re illegal companies obviously they’re part of the system and this will be having the effect on the people for example who are not self-employed who are paying their taxes through the PAYE system they would not have access to the same system that people who have these companies have.

So immediately you will have the disparity between the rich and poor because they are some people using this system of fraud because they have the ability to, but most people as we know, are working for large conglomerate companies that pay their taxes through PAYE.

Yes, so they are going to be victimised and of course what would happen or what is happening is we are all paying our taxes and it’s being used in this system and if it’s not being used as we are led to believe it is and it’s being fed into, because another element I haven’t mentioned is the offshore account system, it means that we then are paying more tax than we should be.

So that in itself becomes a fraudulent offence, a fraud act offence, because we are not being told the truth and it is causing a loss to our financially because we shouldn’t be paying the amount of taxes that we are and this is the knock on effect.

RW you mentioned earlier that it effectively says that all tax is unlawfully being collected now

GW – Well of course it is. I mean if they are using this fraudulent system in relation to taxation system, it means that our money is being defrauded from us, so it becomes a criminal offence

Now for I I put the example of, and I keep saying this to everybody, the we’re very much in the situation of we have a choice to pay money to somebody we now know is using that money in a criminal system or we can become innocent in this and say, “look I can’t pay this until you show us that you are using this money in a legal system and we can be sure our money is not being used in crime and causing suffering to others”

They could do that through the systems that we’ve already talked about and we need to ask ourselves – “why are they not doing that?”

35:40 RV – So, is there some um evidence that you can provide that .., because I think at the moment there’s a lot of interest in people pushing back against council tax and various other taxes just on moral grounds about handing it over over to warring functions that we the people have not voted for in an election, or is not in the manifesto, or any of that.

Is there anything that you can point to so that people can actually,… because in one of your videos you said we should stop paying our taxes as you alluded to just now, some evidence that we can put together a rebuttal when taxes come in and say:

“look I you know I’m happy to pay a tax if it was open and lawful” and all the rest, but according to this evidence here, this is what’s going on at company’s house so therefore I can’t pay it because I would be aiding abetting and hence the aiding and the abetting Act of 1847 or whatever it is, that I cannot pay it and so therefore, because I don’t want to be arrested, I don’t want the police coming around arresting me, not that that’s likely to happen, but I can’t pay it because it’s not legal or lawful”

Is is there any evidence that we, a package can happen because if you flooded if everyone was doing that to all the councils and to the HMRC and saying “look you know you’re doing this, we’re calling you out, therefore, we’re not paying” That would be quite a good method of people power,

GW – Absolutely I mean, you’ve already pretty much mentioned and answering your own question there, because you cannot aid and abet crime so as long as the evidence is there that the money is being used in crime and in a system which this now is.

Let’s just make this clear, this is irrefutable evidence of crime in the system of taxation money linked to illegal weapons companies which means any death that is caused through that system is illegal, okay because the money, as we’ve already discussed, where the money come so immediately you have a legal defense of not being complicit to Aid aiding and abetting the crime

RV – And where can people find the evidence to sort of show if they are rebutting their payments?

GW – Okay with the documents that I’m producing are um critical really because what I’ve done is create several documents that show the screenshots from companies house and the evidential links showing the links to the false entity companies.

As soon as you show that, and you can show that those companies are being used in the taxation process and this is linked to, I mean everything that you’re seeing, or most of the stuff that we’ve seen on the news over the last few months links to this.

So the PPE Scandal for example, okay I can mention Michelle Mone, it’s been on the news a lot, this is linked to this fraud.

Okay because the companies linked to Michelle Mone are part of the system I’ve just spoken to you about with false entity companies, false details being used

The Royal Mail Scandal is linked to this system of fraud, Horison and Fujitsu, they have unlawful entity companies.

Okay, now I don’t think with the evidence I’ve got, I don’t think that it’s an IT issue at all, I think it’s this fraudulent system that has been used in relation to it. It links through to, again, I can mention this has been on the news, the David Cameron “Green Seal Scandal” that is linked to this system of fraud.

I’ve got a document proving that green seal is linked to the system of fraud The Teeside area controversy at the moment, again I can mention this, Ben Houchin, not too sure how you pronounce it, this is linked to this system of fraud.

SWIFT, Offshore Accounts and Money Laundering

Okay, pretty much everything we’re seeing is now being documented and linked to it. So you can see, with all of this evidence of what’s going on, and let’s remember this is taxation money that’s paid for these PPE items okay, we now know that has been used fraudulently because we’ve got the evidence in the documents showing that an unlawful entity companies being created, created that not should not even be trading now.

This is where things get really big, because I mentioned the offshore situation, the offshore accounting system, now I’ve got evidence that the international banking transaction system is called SWIFT is linked to this system of fraud. Now most Western Banks link to that transaction system that appears to been created unlawfully in itself.

So you can see how huge this is and that system enables the ability to send money through that system into offshore accounts and obviously offshore accounts are notorious for tax havens, but also it allows the ability for money laundering and money to be sent through criminal obtained criminally or unlawfully to be sent through into those offshore accounts as well.

Real Estate

Now I mentioned real estate to you earlier, but I think prior to this interview, real estate links heavily in relation to this system of fraud and very quickly when you look at the companies that I’ve investigated they’re surrounded by real estate companies.

41:11 Okay, and the reason for that is real estate is a very easy way to launder money and also to defraud lease holders through the emission of certain individuals payments into those buildings.

And therefore, others to pay more which is what’s happened to me that enables a very lucrative fraudulent system to make money from individuals like they have myself.

So, you can see how this affects many many people.

41:44 – RV – What having done this and being a bit on the run and hiding and and all of this, what is your hope will happen from exposing this in the various different channels some places that you are are you hopeful that the government will have no opportunity now to hide or just pretend this isn’t happening and that they will have to face for, I mean we’ve potentially got another election coming at any minute which um this is pretty bad timing for them, but I would think that’s pretty bad timing for anybody in government at the moment?

GW – Yeah I mean my my real hope is that the things that we’ve talked about happen, you know I think they’re essential those three things. The other thing obviously in relation to real estate, is the system of real estate and leasehold management needs to have a more transparent accounting system like we’ve talked about as well.in relation to it.

Anyone Involved Needs to Step Down From Positions of Power

I think I mean personally, anyone involved needs to step down from power. They just need to step down, the evidence is now so strong against them that the only right thing for them to do is step down from power and let people come in that are going to be willing to change this system of fraud.

And I actually think that the evidence is so overwhelming that those individuals need to be prosecuted and put through the criminal justice system, but I don’t think they’ll be doing that unfortunately, but in an ideal world, if they really want to show the public they’re doing the right thing they will step down from power and they will instill a transparent system so we can gain trust back in the government.

RV – But if, I mean, if the fraud is as widespread as you said and the evidence is irrefutable as you’ve just said, then the public themselves may demand that these people be put through the criminal system just as much as the people themselves are being put through the criminal system for not paying something which actually they ought not be paying in the first place.

GW – Absolutely, I mean that in an ideal situation we would that that would be what would happen and the difficulty you’ve got is these people are controlling the prosecuting organisations.

That’s the difficulty we face and unfortunately it appears as though there’s so many people involved in this. I mean it’s huge because if the police organisations have been involved in this, then lots of other people have jumped onto the bandwagon and taken advantage of it, which means you’ve got so many people involved in this it’s a huge huge issue you to prosecute everybody involved in this it would be just an astronomical uh no

44:38 RV – but I guess if you could get some some of the bigger players in this so that it was bleeding obvious that if you were even thinking of getting involved in any of this in the future, or doing anything you would see certain people falling and going through the system rather painfully, then it might, you know. so you’ve got the bigger decision makers I suppose, and then everybody else who’s sort of felt “oh I can get on the gravy train” they just, you know, put their hands up and it would be just a sort of administration matter.

RV – We hear of councils being companies and having done numbers done and Brad street numbers pres and presumably that you know they’re registered on company’s house and places like that would they also be illegally registrate reg registering?

GW – no no um councils are not actually generally registered as a company on company’s house I think they were in the past but you’re generally finding that’s not the case now but uh the companies that they use contracted through the council tax, you know, the companies they using they will be registered.

And again I’ve got lots of evidence, I’ve got a document in relation to particularly my Council showing that this system of fraud is right the way through the council, even the the counselors are connected to companies as well that are linked to the system of fraud. You know it won’t be my just my Council you’re talking no.

The Police Position

46:10 RV – yeah we’ve been we’ve been exploring the council frauds for for council tax for some time um and and the police themselves I mean you you mentioned there that it was right through with the police services that you worked.

A lot of people are having problems with the police. You mentioned Theresa May now, and she famously said that we are “policed by consent” it doesn’t seem that that is very true they seem to have turned again into their own company, or corporate company, rather than being a constabulary of the people for the People by consenting.

Do you have as I just take advantage really as you as a former policeman, what is the position of the police these days? how would you rate the police as honorable people trying to go about, or have they been not necessarily fraudulently corrupted, or maybe they have, but in terms of their taking the oath and being honorable people to help people, they seem to be more about trying to extract money from everybody as in, you know “ticket money collectors”

GW – Okay well let me just speak from my personal experience. I was in the police for 18 years. We must remember there are many good people in the police and there are many innocent people and I would actually suggest that most are not even aware of what is going on in relation to this system.

It is the people at the top that appear to be connected to this and of course, if you have people at the top in or any organisation it filters down, it can filter down and you need the people at the top to be the ones who are the one the moral, integral, honest, transparent ones. If that doesn’t happen then you’re going to have an organisation that’s going to fail.

There are many innocent, brilliant police officers we need to have faith in the police still as best as we can, but, we can’t do that until the people at the top are the ones we can trust and clearly we’ve got an issue of that now with these companies being linked to these people.

But yeah I in all honesty I saw very little corruption when I was in the police okay you might have had the odd officer that spoke to members of the public in a way I personally wouldn’t agree with, but generally I wasn’t aware of much corruption when I was in the police myself.

But obviously now my eyes have been open in relation to the the actual system of corruption

RV – so what you’re saying in terms of the police and it would also be the council and members of government there’s got to be a massive, a massive rearing. quite how quickly one can go about doing this of people not, you know people at the top that we can trust and then that management system coming down the hierarchy making sure and weeding out all of those others that aren’t, and so that we have honorable systems through and through. Do you think that’s possible?

GW – Absolutely absolutely, but, I think it needs to be done through which is what I’ve been doing and I think it’s why it’s created so many moves is showing the irrefutable evidence of what’s been happening. Now that is essential because it will come to a point and I think it is coming to a point now where they’ll realise the game is up, you know, and they’ll realise the system has to change.

And then I think you will find over the next few months you’ll get lots of people stepping down from power, and you’ll get new people coming in that will realise it will have to change, and of course, if we have no reason to distrust those new people coming in, it starts afresh doesn’t it?

We can start the trust again, they change the system to a transparent system and things will get…. I actually think this is going to change the world if I’m being honest I think this is a massive opportunity that really needs to be grabbed to change the world for the better so that we can get trust back in the governance of our nations, I think it’s a crucial time for all of us,

RV – And do you think you’re the only one that’s discovered this information? I mean others must have discovered and not, just not known what to do with it?

Presumably there was a guy back in, I think it was in the last 20/30 years Gordon Bowden I think he’s name was and he was investigating company’s house, but I don’t think he went quite into the depth that I had and found the evidential links through the documents.

But there’s certainly people that have been looking into it and again, I think it’s just I’ve been in the right place the right time, I had the skills from the police to put the evidence together and to know what to look for.

My faith has also helped me morally to continue to do what is right. No matter what the consequences to myself personally, I’ve had the the ability to remove myself by going and staying in a van.

You know, most people would probably be too fearful to expose this but I not had the ability to separate and protect themselves from it,

RV -yes and I guess, all those that police, you know, how they might search for you and you know how to be evasive, so that’s that is an advantage. What what can the public do what can people watching this do to assist expose um and push on so that this can happen quickly?

GW – I would suggest they do their own research. Okay, don’t just trust what I’m showing and what I’m saying corroborate and verify what I’m showing. it’s easy to do that with the documents and the videos that I’m producing you can follow the evidential links.

You can look at the companies on company’s house yourself, make sure that what I’m saying is true first of all. Once you’re happy that it’s true, write to MPs, write to your counselors, or email them, show them the evidential links, show them the documents. People can contact me, I can send the documents to them, you will then find that things will naturally change, because, as I’ve said that they will then see the council, the MPs, they will see that the game is up.

Right you know so I think I would say share the information but it’s important that it’s verifiable, corroborative information share it and if people feel confident enough stop paying the taxes, that’s what I’m doing, I am not paying any taxes at all.

RV Apart from fuel tax, no doubt,

GW – Apart well yeah, apart from the hidden taxes I can do nothing about exactly now I’ve made it quite clear that that’s what I’m going to do and and the only reason. I’m doing that is to compel a change in the system yes I will immediately pay my taxes once a change is initiated, yes, I will backdate my tax payments, I will backdate my payments if need be.

Right, well that’s I think a lot of people are looking for ways to um not not get out of not paying stuff because people do want to pay. People do want to contribute to their communities and things, but they certainly don’t want as a number of people do and myself included, morally pay for something which is immoral in itself, that is aiding abetting the death of innocent men women and children.

Absolutely

RV – Which they, you know, we should not be doing and yet we are being forced to by the ever heavy boot of government in all the different ways that tax is being extorted from us at the moment.

Where can people find out more information then?

I mentioned your YouTube channel it’s always good just to verbally say it because people who have smartphone, televisions and things watching can’t always see the description, but if it’s verbal they can make a note of it but I will put it in the description as well.

GW – yeah so people can email me uh at Gary thetruthsetsusfree gmail.com that’s garythetruthsetsusfre gmail.com and I’m happy to send out the evidential documents that I’m doing in relation to to it.

I’ve already sent them to lots and lots of people and told them to spread this far and wide. They could also look at my videos on Gary truth sets us free which is you YouTube That’s Gary truth sets us free Gary truth sets us free all one word on YouTube and we’re also using my wife’s Tik Tok account which is lisawat and that L IA yes yeah Waterman

RV – Brilliant Gary, this has been fascinating I think some people would take a bit of time just to absorb what you said and the implications of it because it’s quite technical in some aspects but the scope of this is so large, as you say. It is world changing especially as these big, very big organisations knowingly uses this approach and this scam, this fraud to make huge amounts of money and we have seen the disparity between the rich and the and the poor and it’s it’s time to stop.

Absolutely absolutely I really think this is that time and it can be done peacefully providing the government you know it’s important that we maintain peace um throughout this and it can be done providing the government step and they do the right thing now. Transparency, is key transparency is Key.

Well I hope that if there’s any other YouTubers watching this and would like if you’re up for it Gary to to to help spread the message to ask you to come on their show and do similar thing to their audience that would help I’m sure you’ll be up for that?

GW – Of course, I would love to. I’m not very good at the interviews I’m quite nervous with doing them, but so I do trip up on my words quite a lot, but yeah I would love to get the word out there, not for me and I’d like to reiterate I’m not gaining anything from doing this whatsoever I don’t want anything from this. I don’t want any money, I just want the truth to get out there so we can change this system and make the world a better place. It cannot go on as it is.

RV – no absolutely and it would be nice that you’re not having to hide in the van on the road somewhere.

it would that would be nice it be nice to to go home and feel safe at home and and

RV – Just before we go then and how are you feeling do you feel intimidated do are are you feeling that people are trying to find you and put a stop to this.

GW – To be honest with you I feel amazing I feel amazing and the reason I feel amazing is I think we’ve all known there’s been something wrong with the world. My dad, God Rest his soul, he knew something was wrong but he didn’t quite realise what was going on and he unfortunately turned to drink and became an alcoholic. But I feel enlightened because I think once you know what the problem is you know how to deal with it, you know you can start again and see where we need to go with it.

So I think this is an incredibly positive time because of this evidence personally it’s been very difficult very difficult.

I mean one thing that happens is I’ve told you about the tracking apps on coming up on the phone, but we also, when we left the flat we were using our GPS on our phones initially, and one night we were parked up in Harrogate at the time and about half 10 at night someone tried the back door.

I heard two guys and I heard two I heard someone trying to open the back door of the van and I didn’t think too much of it. They walked off and I thought I’m not going to get out of the van, the van’s locked and they walked off down the road and I looked at the and I didn’t try any other door handles so I thought okay it’s probably just a thief trying to to trying his life.

The very next day my wife and I were in the van bless her she’s in the back listening to this she was very scared of this the front door opened of the van and a man looked at me I looked at him and he grabbed the backpack from my front seat and ran off and I train chased after him effing and blinding, stop

luckily I’m fairly fair fit so caught up with him, almost, he dropped the bag and ran off so I think what what’s happened is I think I actually think that was a police colluded tracking of me to try and get the devices from my vehicle now.

Since then obviously we’ve had turned our GPS off and we’ve also got a VPN protection on our devices so it’s been scary it’s been scary but my as I’ve said my faith has compelled me to keep going in this there’s lot.

Sorry I just going to say I guess the evidence is is now it’s you know it’s pointless just getting to you um because the evidence is is far and wide and so you know it’s not like it dies with you as it were

Exactly exactly and I think that’s what’s causing the problem because I’ve done that all along I’ve ensured that the evidence is being shared yeah now it’s going public, you’re right I mean it puts us in a position of more safety although I do obviously have to be concerned of a revenge attack because of there’s there’s a lot of companies involved in this and we’re talking we’re talking trillions of pounds worth of fraud over the last few decades this has this has been going on for decades, decades

it’s yeah but yeah I mean I put I put trust in my faith I put trust in the way I’m doing it, you know, I’m not even angry at these people believe it or not, I’m not even angry, I feel sorry for them. I feel sorry for them because they’ve gone against their own moral conscience. Okay they wouldn’t do this to their own children, or to their own family and yet they’re choosing to be part of it.

Well you hope not.

well no you like you yeah you hope not, so you know I think the way I’m doing it people can relate to it and they can see it’s not an angry person it’s not somebody who’s vindictive it’s somebody who just wants to change for the good of every body and I think even those involved will see that and then they’re in a real moral dilemma.

Moral dilemma for themselves, here I mean there’s lots of information you’re probably going to have a lot of people taking their lives for this and I don’t want that at all, but I think when they, when it’s exposed, how serious this is fully you know the guilt will be immense for some people, immense.

1:01:55 yeah there there’s already evidence linking through I mean there’s lots I could tell you but the Nicola Bulley death links into this uh deaths of several police officers high ranking police officers link to this very heavily and as we know we’ve already mentioned Max Clifford and Jeffrey Epstein linked to this these are irrefutable links as well, so it’s no in short, I’m great, I’m great despite all of this, I’m great because I’m looking at it as a positive opportunity for everyone to change.

RV – fantastic Gary thank you so much for talking to us and telling us about this. I think people will be absolutely fascinated and surprised and perhaps not surprised in some ways it’s just nice to be able to you know work out what it what it is that we’ve all sensed there’s been something going on or perhaps answered questions why the government acting in such anti-human ways in in many ways um very much appreciate that I’d urge people to go because you show the evidence a lot clearer on your YouTube channel I know at Gary truth sets us free and you I’ll put the email address in there as well um good luck keep going and and do give us an update if there’s any major developments um and uh look after yourself.

GW – Thank you very much Richard and again I really appreciate this opportunity thank you so much thank you

RW – An absolute pleasure. There you are ladies and gentlemen, I hope uh that that hasn’t chilled you too much but um do go and check out Gary’s stuff and if you feel inclined to write to your MP or your counselor, or to anybody and pass on some of this evidence or even the links to this video.

GW – Please feel free I’ll be back with more monologues and uh more wonderful guests of course and until then from Gary somewhere on this planet and myself down on the south coast bye-bye

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